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Passenger List to Canada

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Jany

Jany Report 23 Jun 2013 15:51

Any chance that someone has the passenger lists of emigration from England to Canada please?
John Leslie Haggart born 1897 in Scotland and wife Myra Diamond Victoria Haggart born 1897 London married in 1919. Some time after that they went to live in Brockville Ontario.
I would like to know the year they went if possible
Thank you

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 23 Jun 2013 16:02

???
Name: Myra V Higgart
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Date of Arrival: 18 Aug 1919
Vessel: Corsican
Search Ship Database: View the 'Corsican' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14701

Jany

Jany Report 23 Jun 2013 16:05

Jonesey
Thank you very much..she left soon after her marriage!

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Jun 2013 16:05

Must have added the 'Diamond' later!!

Name: Myra Victoria Collings
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1898
Event Date: 6 Jun 1919
Parish: St Stephen Westminster
Spouse's Name: John Leslie Haggart
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Parish: St Stephen Westminster
Spouse's County: Middlesex
Event Type: Allegation
Reference Number: MS 10091/307

Jan

Jany

Jany Report 23 Jun 2013 16:10

Jan
Thanks for the marriage..
She was actually christened with the Diamond, but looks like she dropped it.!!!
A real age giveaway, she was born the year of Victoria's jubilee

Andrew

Andrew Report 23 Jun 2013 16:11


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about John Haggent




Name:
John Haggent
[John Haggart]

Date of Arrival:18 Aug 1919
Vessel:Corsican
Search Ship Database:
View the 'Corsican' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival:Quebec
Port of Departure:Liverpool, England
Roll:T-14701


Andy

Jany

Jany Report 23 Jun 2013 16:12

Andy
Thank you for finding John

Margee

Margee Report 23 Jun 2013 18:03

That John Haggent/Haggart who arrived in 1919 was a returning soldier.

Margee

Margee Report 23 Jun 2013 18:10

Is this their daughter?

Jeanne Haggart Gifford
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Birth: Nov. 18, 1933
Death: Apr. 24, 2008
Brockville
Ontario, Canada


Jeanne (Haggart) Gifford
Entered into rest at the Brockville General Hospital at the age of 74 years. Beloved wife of Leonard Gifford. Dear mother of Shelley Hall (Clint Marginson) and Stev'nn Hall. Predeceased by her parents John and Myra Haggart, by brothers Robert (Lorraine) Haggart, George (Shirley) Haggart, John (Alice) Haggart and by sisters Rev. Dr. Mary Haggart and Elsie (Clifford) Stevens. Also survived by many nieces and nephews; a sister-in-law Inez Farmer; sister and brother-in-law Betty and Harry Gifford and by Bernice and Gordon Baker. Fondly remembered by her friends Lurlene Bobics, Connie and Rob Kitchen and by her many close camping friends



Margee

Margee Report 23 Jun 2013 18:13

Another daughter?

Reverend Dr. Mary Haggart, born at Ottawa, Ontario on March 14 th, 1920, passed away at Central Butte Regency Hospital, Central Butte, Sask., on May 7 th, 2007. Mary was predeceased by her parents, John & Myra Haggart, her 3 brothers: John, George and Robert, two nephews: Wayne and Teddy and brother-in-law Clifford. She is survived by sisters: Elsie, Jeanne (Leonard) and Margaret all of Ontario; a number of nieces and nephews including David Haggart of Salt Spring Island, B.C., as well as a large extended family in Saskatchewan. Mary was in Domestic Service for a few years, a member of the Red Cross Corps, and a member of the CWAC, in which she served as a pay sergeant for more than four years, at Fort Frontenac, Kingston, Ontario. Following discharge she earned a B.A. at the University of Western Ontario, graduated from the Center for Christian Studies, and Emmanuel College in the University of Toronto, later Univerisity of Saskatchewan, and was honored with a doctorate honorus causa by St. Andrew's College, Saskatoon. Mary was ordained by London Conference of the United Church of Canada and settled in the Cabri-Pennant Pastoral Charge 1954. She was called to Balmoral United Church in Saskatoon, Sask. (1961-1966), to Leask Pastoral Charge (1966-1972) and to Central Butte Pastoral Charge(1972-1985). In 1974-75 when the United Church of Canada was celebrating its fiftieth anniversary Mary was elected president of Saskatchewan Conference, the first woman to have the responsibility. In 1977 she was nominated as a candidate for the office of Moderatorship of the United Church of Canada. Mary understood that her first responsibility was to be a caring pastor, to enable committed Christians to participate in the ministry of the whole people of God, to recruit members for ordered ministry, and make time for the wider church. Mary retired to the Cottage Development in Palliser Regional Park. She continued to work in Ten Days Development Education, Saskatchewan (National committee); Saskatchewan committee for International Cooperation, and the Rural Inter-church Development Education Project. She was named a Global Citizen in 1992. In 2006, Mary had to give up her cottage at Palliser Park and moved into the Iver Main Place in Central Butte, Saskatchewan, where she remained with lots of loving, tender care, until her passing. The Funeral Service will be held on Saturday, May 12 th, 2007 at 1:00 p.m. in the Central Butte United Church . Dr. Donald Laing will officiate. Royal Canadian Legion Rites will be conducted by Branch #213. As an expression of sympathy, contributions may be made to the Iver Main Place Inc., Box 550 Central Butte, Sask. S0H 0T0, or the Central Butte Health Care Foundation, Box 582 Central Butte, Sask, S0H 0T0, or the Charity of One's choice.



Margee

Margee Report 23 Jun 2013 18:18

Your John?

In memory of
Company Quarter Master Sergeant


JOHN LESLIE HAGGART
who died on June 19, 1947

Military Service:
Service Number: C/89514
Age: 50
Force: Army
Unit: Veterans Guard of Canada
Additional Information:
Son of Robert L. and Letitia Haggart, of Glasgow, Scotland. Husband of Myra V. Haggart, of Brockville.

Commemorated on Page 596External link, Opens in a new window of the Second World War Book of Remembrance.
Order a copy of this page.

Do you have photographs or personal memorabilia relating to JOHN LESLIE HAGGART that you want included in our photo collection?

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Burial Information:
Cemetery: BROCKVILLE (OAKLAND) CEMETERY Ontario,Canada
Grave Reference: Veterans' Plot. Row 2. Grave 7.

Margee

Margee Report 23 Jun 2013 18:22

Son Bob:

Bob Haggart


Tribute: Peacefully at the St. Vincent de Paul Hospital August 12th. 2004. Robert Seymour Haggart of Brockville, age 82 years. Beloved husband of the former Lorraine B. Stewart . Dear father of Robert (Bob) Haggart and his wife Diane of NewMarket and Patricia Haggart of Brockville. Grandfather of Melissa, Jennifer and Rachel. Brother of Rev. Mary Haggart of Saskatchewan, Elsie Stevens and her husband Cliff of Brockville, Margaret Anderson and her husband Arthur of Toronto and Jean Clifford and her husband Leonard of Brockville. Also survived by several nieces and nephews. Predeceased by a son Wayne, his parents John Leslie Haggart and his wife Myra Victoria Collins Haggart and 2 brothers John and George Haggart.
Friends may call at the Barclay Funeral Home, 137 Pearl St. East, Brockville Sunday August 15th. from 12 noon until 3 p.m. when funeral service will be held in the Chapel. Interment will follow at Bissell Cemetery. In memorians to the Leukemia Research Fund or the Canadian Cancer Society would be gratefully acknowledged by the family.


Margee

Margee Report 23 Jun 2013 18:29

A photo of John Leslie's gravestone here:

http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=2145782

mgnv

mgnv Report 24 Jun 2013 04:32

Re Jonesey's post:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e145/e003606128.jpg

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Jun 2013 08:48

No full address given on here:

Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Myra Haggart
Location: Grenville; Dundas, Ontario
Occupation: Housewife
Electoral District: Grenville-Dundas
Year: 1958

Also listed is an Elsie Haggart (an inspector) and a Jeanne Haggart (an assembler) all of Maitland.
..................................................................................................................

Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980

Name: Myra Haggart
Location: Leeds, Ontario
Occupation: Hw
Electoral District: Leeds
Year: 1972

Address 4 Brockville.

Listed at the same address is a David Haggart (Labourer). Different spelling but also at the same address Ronald Haggett (att'd) and Donna Haggett (rn).

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Jun 2013 09:21

There seems to be some loose ends. As Margee points out, that 1919 arrival in Canada shows him as a returning Canadian soldier so he must have previously been in Canada.

That 1919 manifest shows the following info for him:

Regiment = CARD/CFA
NOK = wife
Religion = Pres.

The soldiers had all been at Buxton Depot, Derbyshire.

It seems like any wives from England went over to Canada with them on the same ship.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Jun 2013 09:25

If John was already in Canada to become a soldier then could this be his first arrival?

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: John Haggart
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Date of Arrival: 12 Apr 1907
Vessel: Sicilian
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland
Roll: T-502

It appears to be all children on the passenger list, born in Scotland or what looks like Quarter Homes.

They were all going to farms in Brockville, Ontario. I guess they were Home Children.

EDIT: It looks like there was more than one John Haggart born around the same time in Scotland who ended up in Canada according to attestation papers so this could possibly be a different one but thought the Brockville connection was coincidental.

Jany - do you have your John on the 1911 census in Scotland?

mgnv

mgnv Report 24 Jun 2013 09:32

Note In 1919 Myra says she's bound for Ottawa

On the same ship, on a page headed Military:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e145/e003606115.jpg

There's another listing of the same names in the ship's passenger list at:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e145/e003606150.jpg
The resolution's too low - you really need the Ancestry image to see it properly, however I can make out his serial # as 40816

You can look him up at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
and get images of his attestation papers. His dob=27/4/18?? pob=Glasgow - he attested 21/9/1914 at Valcartier, 25km N of Quebec City


1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Carleton / 6 Goulburn / page 7-8
50 77 Sample George M Head S Jun 1885 26
1 77 Sample Esibell F Mother W May 1843 68
2 77 Haggart John M Adopted S Apr 1898 13
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001981389.pdf
[addy=Lot 16 Concession 5, Goulbourn Twp, Carleton Co Ont]
Richmond is 25km SW of Ottawa - the farm is abt 3km W of Richmond


There is a concession map at:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/Countyatlas/SearchMapframes.php
Note the SE-NW orientation of the W edge of Carleton Co, as there's no compass roses as I drill down to:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/Countyatlas/images/maps/townshipmaps/car-m-goulbourn.jpg


Surname: HAGGART
Given Name: John
Age: 11
Sex: M
Ship: Sicilian
Year of Arrival: 1907
Departure Port: Glasgow
Departure Date: 1907-03-30
Arrival Port: Halifax
Arrival Date: 1907-04-12
Party: Quarrier's Orphan Homes of Scotland
Destination: Brockville, Ontario
Comments: See also reels T-525 and C-4709
Source: Library and Archives Canada
Reference: RG 76 C1b
Microfilm: T-502
Type of Record: Passenger Lists
Group of Children Traveling Together

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e148/e003699595.jpg


This looks like it could be his bro:

Surname: HAGGART
Given Name: Robert
Age: 9
Sex: M
Ship: Grampian
Year of Arrival: 1908
Departure Port: Glasgow
Departure Date: 1908-04-04
Arrival Port: Halifax
Arrival Date: 1908-04-14
Party: Quarrier's Orphan Homes of Scotland
Destination: Brockville, Ontario
Comments: Scottish children
Source: Library and Archives Canada
Reference: RG 76 C1b
Microfilm: T-503
Type of Record: Passenger Lists
Group of Children Traveling Together

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e149/e003700348.jpg


1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Carleton / 20 March / page 5
24 40 Bourcher Dan M Head M May 1876 35 1901
25 40 Bourcher Lila E. F Wife M Apr 1888 23 1901
26 40 Milford Winifred F Domestic S Apr 1894 17 1901
27 40 Hogan Henry M Hand Man S May 1866 45 1901
28 40 Haggart Robt M Help S May 1900 11 1901
[There is a correction note on transcription, saying name s.b. Boucher, like the image says]
[addy=Lot 25 Conc 3, March Twp, Carleton Co Ont]
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001981533.pdf

Dunrobin used to be in Torbolton Twp, but now straddles into March Twp.
From Dunrobin, go SE 0.5+ miles, and the Boucher lot is to your right.
Around here, a standard full 200 acre lot is 20 x 100 chains (80chains=1 mile). Most farmers have a 100 scre half lot.


Getting back to the military side, John clearly lied abt his age, probably adding he didn't know what year he was born, so left it off his attestation.
In the early days, they took pretty much anyone, and, technically, it wasn't their actual age that counted, but their apparant age at their medical.
After the Somme, they clamped down on age, and under age Canadian soldiers in Europe were mostly sent back to Britain until they were 18 - those in Canada stayed there until they were 17 1/2, when they could be sent to the UK to finish off their training.


EDIT I left one page link off the 1911 - here's the missing URL, as you probably guessed:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001981388.pdf

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Jun 2013 09:45

The marriage record that Jan posted above was an allegation which I think must be similar to banns?

This is the actual marriage record:

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

Groom's First names: John Leslie
Groom's surname: Haggart
Groom's parish:
Groom's Age: 22
Marriage year: 1919
Marriage month: Jun
Marriage day: 09
Parish: St Stephen, Rochester Row
County: Middlesex
Bride's First names: Myra Victoria
Bride's surname: Collings
Bride's parish:
Bride's Age: 21
Record source: Westminster Marriages- Transcripts
Data provider: Westminster Archives

John Leslie was a Gunner Canadian Artillery and his father was Robert (deceased) a labourer.

Myra's father was Harry William Collings, a police constable.

Neither had been married before and both give their address as 71 Coburg Buildings.

Witnesses: Henry David Johnstone and Helena May Matilda Collings

So he had been in Canada previously.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Jun 2013 09:48

Looks like we're thinking along the same lines mgnv!