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Georgina

Georgina Report 24 Jun 2013 09:11

my mams maiden name was mcintyre, her dad married a charlotte proctor,in1908 she was born 1892, my mams dad was michael joseph mcintyre born1890 died 1961 and his parents was patrick mcintyre born 1845 from ireland,he married a mary flannagan born1854 also from ireland, i would like to no how i go about finding more about other children they had aswel as my grandad

Dea

Dea Report 24 Jun 2013 09:22

For reference:

1911 census transcription details for: 63 Lamb Street Kirkdale Liverpool
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN22468 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED25 SN324
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Kirkdale
Parish: Kirkdale
Enum. District: 25
Address: 63 Lamb Street Kirkdale Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
PROCTER, Robert Head Widower M 51 1860 Dock Labourer Nova Scotia Resident
MCINTYRE, Charlotte Mary Daughter Married 2 years F 19 1892 House Keeper Liverpool Lanc
PROCTER, Jane Daughter Single F 17 1894 Restaurant Waitress Liverpool Lanc
PROCTER, Georgina Daughter Single F 14 1897 Liverpool Lanc
PROCTER, Robert Son M 12 1899 School Liverpool Lanc
PROCTER, Margerat Daughter F 10 1901 School Liverpool Lanc
PROCTER, John Son M 6 1905 School Liverpool Lanc
MCINTYRE, Michael Joseph Son In Law Married M 20 1891 Dock Labourer Liverpool Lanc
MCINTYRE, Dora E Daughter F 2 1909 Liverpool Lanc
MCINTYRE, Charlotte Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Liverpool Lanc

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 24 Jun 2013 09:31

1891 census transcription details for: 19, Townsend Street, Liverpool
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2905
Folio: 98
Page: 3
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: St Martin
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District: 40
Ecclesiastical District: St Aidens
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 19, Townsend Street, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MCINTYRE, Patrick Head Married M 36 1855 Labourer Dock
Ireland
MCINTYRE, Mary Wife Married F 37 1854
Ireland
MCINTYRE, Alice Daughter Single F 17 1874 Hawker
Ireland
MCINTYRE, Susanna Daughter Single F 15 1876 Hawker
Ireland
MCINTYRE, James Son M 13 1878 Scholar
Ireland
MCINTYRE, Patrick Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Liverpool
MCINTYRE, Thomas Son M 4 1887 Scholar
Liverpool
MCINTYRE, Michael Son M 1 1890
Liverpool
FLANAGAN, Thomas Brother In Law M 28 1863 Dock Labourer
Ireland
FLANAGAN, Catherine Sister In Law F 30 1861 Domestic Servant
Ireland


Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 24 Jun 2013 09:37

Patrick's place of birth on 1911 gives - C. Dublin, Co. Down, Ireland

Dea x

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jun 2013 09:52

Connected family
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1326906

mgnv

mgnv Report 24 Jun 2013 12:18

1901 England Census Transcription
Street:200 ARLINGTON STREET
Parish:KIRKDALE
Town:
City:
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:ST AIDANS
Municipal Ward:SANDHILLS
Parliamentary Borough:KIRKDALE
Registration District:WEST DERBY
Registration Sub-District: Kirkdale
Enumeration District:32
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:3470 Folio:44 Page:35

PATRICK MCINTYRE 1854 47 Ireland HEAD W Dock Labourer
PATRICK MCINTYRE 1884 17 Lpool, Lanc SON Dock Labourer
THOMAS MCINTYRE 1887 14 Lpool, Lanc SON
MICHAEL MCINTYRE 1890 11 Lpool, Lanc SON

Deaths Dec 1900 (>99%)
McIntyre Mary Elizabeth 49 W. Derby 8b 357

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 24 Jun 2013 13:20

For Ref.

Robert Proctor married Dora Brierley 1889 St Nicholas' Liverpool
Jane b 1893 was Baptised St Joseph's
Georgina b.1897 was Baptised St.Francis Xavier
Rbt Edward b 1898 was Baptised St Nicholas'


Thomas McIntyre Baptised 1886 St Albans
Michael Baptised 1889 St Albans

Maura

Maura Report 24 Jun 2013 14:30

Alice, Susanna & James where baptised in Annaghlone Co. Down
rootsireland.ie

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 24 Jun 2013 18:37

Alice (b 1874) married Ernest Albert Crook at St James RC Church Bootle 1895..
I dont have access for 1901Census to check for details..she is living Kirkdale West Derby.

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Jun 2013 08:58

I would suggest that from now on, we keep this thread for the UK stuff, and put the Canadian stuff on:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1326906
[I'll edit this if Georgina says otherwise]

Reggie

Reggie Report 25 Jun 2013 11:06

Georgina

If you don't know about freebmd........check it out. You'll find it invaluable

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

As you will the following site................

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Look at them both, and make yourself familiar with how to use them.......you'll be glad you did

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Jun 2013 11:57

Here is Alice Eringobragh


1901 census transcription details for: 18, Priam Street, Kirkdale
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3471
Folio: 67
Page: 24
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Kirkdale
Parish: Kirkdale
Enum. District: 39
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 18, Priam Street, Kirkdale
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CROOK, Ernest A Head Married M 33 1868 Dock Labourer
Plymouth, Devonshire
CROOK, Alice Wife Married F 27 1874
Ireland
CROOK, William H Son M 3 1898
Lpool
CROOK, Laura J Mother Widow F 58 1843
Plymouth
CONNOR, Lawrence W Head Married M 29 1872 Boiler Maker
Bootle
CONNOR, Susannah Wife Married F 25 1876
Ireland
CONNOR, Mary Daughter F 1 1900
Lpool



Civil Registration event: Death
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Name: CROOK, Alice
Registration district: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1901
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 28
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 292


Possibly died in childbirth or soon after as there is the death of Ernest Albert in 1902, West Derby, aged 0.


Ernest's 2nd marriage.

Marriage: 9 Feb 1909 St Ignatius, Salford, Lancashire, England
Ernest Albert Crook - 40, Stoker, Widower, 92 Phoebe Street
Elizabeth Jane Bath - 39, Weaver, Spinster, 20 West Howard Street
Groom's Father: William Henry Crook, (deceased), Mariner
Bride's Father: Robert Bath, (deceased), Tailor
Witness: John William Harwood; Polly Harwood
Married by Banns by: R.A.E. Bell (Rector)
Register: Marriages 1906 - 1920, Page 47, Entry 93
Source: Parish Register


1911 census transcription details for: 20 West Howard St Salford
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN24063 RG78PN1384 RD465 SD4 ED20 SN317
Reg. District: Salford
Sub District: Regent Road
Parish: Salford
Enum. District: 20
Address: 20 West Howard St Salford
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HARWOOD, John William Head Married M 32 1879 Foreman Wheelwright Hull Yks Hessle
HARWOOD, Rolly Wife Married
7 years F 34 1877 Lancs Salford
HARWOOD, Edith Daughter F 6 1905 School Lancs Salford
BATH, Sarah M In Law Widow F 74 1837 Cornwall Liskeard
CROOK, Elizabeth Jane Sister In Law Married
2 years F 41 1870 Cornwall Liskeard


They then emigrated.



Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945 about Elizth jane Crook
Name: Elizth jane Crook
Arrival Date: 15 May 1911
Age: 41 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Merion
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: Ernest Albert Crook
Last Residence: England
Birthplace: Liskeard, England
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_89


She was with 13 yr old William Henry and they were travelling to NY.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 25 Jun 2013 12:35

Thanks a million for that ...!!
Had asked "Debbie" to check 1911 for me (on Georgina's behalf) so as I wasnt sending her up the wrong road with Ernest A Crook....
He is listed 1881 living Salford nephew to Walter Winter and family (all b Devon) except Harriet Eliz.Crook niece (sister to Ernest) b Bootle....
1891 has EA living Kirkdale with ?parents but Harriet is still in Salford....
So Ernest remarried back in Salford mmm

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Jun 2013 12:56

Young William Henry in 1901.


1911 census transcription details for: 92 Phoebe Street Regent Road Salford
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN24061 RG78PN1384 RD465 SD4 ED18 SN169
Reg. District: Salford
Sub District: Regent Road
Parish: Salford
Enum. District: 18
Address: 92 Phoebe Street Regent Road Salford
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MATTHEWS, George Edwin Head Married M 49 1862 Tool Grinder Plymouth Devon
MATTHEWS, Elizabeth Wife Married
29 years F 51 1860 Salford Lanc
MATTHEWS, Walter Son Single M 24 1887 Iron Turner Salford Lanc
MATTHEWS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 22 1889 Dressmaker Salford Lanc
MATTHEWS, Eleanor Daughter Single F 19 1892 Assistant Drapery Salford Lanc
CROOK, William Cousin M 13 1898 School Liverpool Lanc
MATTHEWS, William Adopted Son M 12 1899 School Salford Lanc
RHODES, Ernest Boarder M 5 1906 Salford Lanc
RHODES, Edith Boarder F 4 1907 Salford Lanc

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 25 Jun 2013 13:51

Its going to get complicated...!!

This is Ernests family 1881


Census, 1881"Name: Laura Jane Crook
Age (Original): 37
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1844
Birthplace: Torquay, Devon, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Widow
Occupation: Charwoman
Address: 110 Balliol Rd
Event Place: Bootle Cum Linacre, Lancashire, England
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Laura Jane Crook F 37 Torquay, Devon, England
Daughter Isabella Crook F 19 Plymouth, Devon, England
Son Edwin Geo Crook M 10 Walton, Lancashire, England
Son Wm James Crook M 6 Walton, Lancashire, England

Laura Watkins married Wm Henry Crook 1859 Devon...
Laura's mother is Elizabeth and living with the Winter family Salford (1881)
Both Edwin and Wm James were Baptised St Peters L.Pool

Edwin Ge. Birth reg West Derby June Quarter 1870 8b 476
Wm James Birth reg west Derby June quarter 1875 8b 470

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 25 Jun 2013 13:58

Registered Plymouth Dec.Quarter 1859

Name: William Henry Crook
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1859
Event Place: Devon
Age: 23
Birth Year (Estimated): 1836
Spouse's Name: Laura Jane Watkins

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 25 Jun 2013 14:03

Just for re ference......

Census, 1881"Name: Walter Winter
Age (Original): 42
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1839
Birthplace: Toybridge, Devon, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Iron Labourer
Address: 105 West Worsley St
Event Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Disability: Blind
Record Type: Household

Head Walter Winter M 42 Toybridge, Devon,
Wife Mary E Winter F 38 Newton Abbott, Devon
,***Mother In Law Elizabeth Watkins F 67 Newton Bushel, Devon,
Son George E M Winter M 19 Plymouth, Devon, England
Brother In Law Edward C Watkins M 28 Newton Abbott, Devon, England
***Nephew Ernest A Crook M 13 Plymouth, Devon,
***Niece Harriet E Crook F 7 Bootle, Lancashire,

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 25 Jun 2013 17:13

Georgina....The thread posted by ***Alviegal*** (11.57) above shows Alice and Ernest 1901....you will note the Connor family
Susannah "McIntyre" Connor is sister of Alice...she married Lawrence W.Connor (Widower) Reg. Dec Quarter 1898 8b 100 ...
They married St Annes CE Church L.Pool

Lawrence Walter Connor had been previously married to a Marie Grainger Reg Dec Quarter 1893 L'Pool 8b 98. They married at All saints L.Pool she obviously died before he married Susannah but I cant find her death....

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Jun 2013 22:17

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Ernest A MCINTYRE Alice West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/159/72

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Ernest A HAGEN Isabella Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended Salford SAL/94/71

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
Crook Ernest Albert Salford 8d 211
Hagen Isabella Salford 8d 211

Deaths Sep 1905 (>99%)
Crook Isabella 35 Salford 8d 120

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Ernest A BATH Elizabeth J Salford St Ignatius Salford C28/2/93

We have Alviegal's transcription of the marr from:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
but lets ignore this for now, and look at an alternative way of finding the image.

Although FS call the collection:
England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910
it's really Greater Manchester, and there's nothing there west of Irlam nor north of Bolton.

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Follow the path below and pick "Browse through 392,897 images":
England, Lancashire, Ches...rish Registers, 1603-1910 > Lancashire > Salford, St Ignatius > Marriages, 1906-1920 > Image 48 of 251

From LancsBMD we have the ref C28/2/93 - C28 is the church code (Salford, St Ignatius); 2 is the marr rego # (and covered 1906-1920, but only parts of the start/end years), and 93 is the entry #.
At 2 entries per page, entry# 93 should fall on page 47 (round fractions up - entry 1 is on page 1).
However, there are 251 images here, not the normal 250, so there's an extra image somewhere. Image 47 has entries 91-92, so we need to look at the next image.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 26 Jun 2013 08:32

mgnv...I learn something new every day.... (re familysearch) I never knew that....usually have to end up browsing through the lot...!!!
Thanks for the info.

So Ernest A married 3 times...didnt see that coming...!

What prompted you to look for another marriage...?
Just goes to show what another pair of eyes can find

Cannot so far connect the Matthews family (1911 Census Salford) where young Wm Henry Crook is living as "Cousin" ....but it must be from the Matthews (Plymouth ) side of the family ..Elizabeth the wife b Salford was nee Stennet.