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Georgina....

Re: Emigration Of Ernest Albert Crook 1911 (see ***alviegal*** 11.57.25.06)

This may be of value if you want at sometime to follow through on William Henry/Ernest in the US.

SS Mehanns out of L.Pool 17 June 1921 arrived Penn. 25 June 1921
Crew Member
Ernest A Crook 53 yrs. B Plymouth England
US National. Jersey City 8.8.1917
Home address :
119 Hobart Ave
Bayonne
New Jersey.

You can access a copy of Ships Manifest from familysearch.org

would like to thank everyone for the information given to me ,im waiting on family members to look at this and i can print it off ,but a very big thank you to you all

EGB - it was accidental - I wanted to check that the 1898 & 1908 marr locations were as claimed, so I looked on LancsBMD, but instead of holding the ctrl key down when I clicked on those 2 years (which would have just gotten those 2 years) I held the shift key down on the second date, and so got all the years in between.
When I saw the 1898 was a rego office or registrar attended, I rechecked your post and saw it was an RC church, so the registrar would have to attend as RCs weren't trusted to keep official marr regos until the 1980s.

mgnv...You are amazing..!

You have just answered a question (without even knowing it)....the family have only just been discussing when the Registrar stopped attending at RC marriages nobody knew..now we do.
Thanks for that.

EGB - Jews and quakers were also authorized to keep official marr rego's, but most non-conformists could only be authorized from 1898 on.
However, some didn't get authorized until a couple of years had passed.
My wife's grandparents were wed at Standishgate Methodist Church in 1902q1, but there's the registrar's signature on their m.cert.
It was only later in that quarter that it was authorized to keep official marr rego's. The first entry is for:

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
Clayton Arthur Wigan 8c 253

Of course, a church could keep its own unofficial rego's - here's an e.g. from http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Marriage: 6 Jan 1850 St John RC, Wigan, Lancs.
James Boylan -
Bridgit Flynn -
Witness: Peter Moffat; Mary Lanagan
Married by: Rev Mr Cotham
Source: Original register at LRO

and the matching local index entry from http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOYLAN James FLYNN Bridget Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/4/122

I've never seen exactly when in 1898 the change came into effect.
I'm a bit puzzled by the fact I said 1980s for RCs, rather than an exact year. I don't know am exact year, so I think maybe I've never seen anything written down on the matter, but am relying on info from someone I trusted.


Georgina - apologies for digressing in the middle of your thread.