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RICHARDSON, James Fletcher c1856 Middlesex London

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Gideon

Gideon Report 27 Jun 2013 13:41

Hi All,
I have a copy of his marriage certificate of 1879 to Charlotte BECKETT, in Islington, London.
It states his father as William Richardson, Cabinet Maker. Various census records suggest a date of birth around 1821 and m. poss Elizabeth Taylor 1847 Q4 Stepney v2 p481.

However, I am struggling to find a birth record for James, to confirm the William/Elizabeth link. There are a couple of options that are located near each other in London:
b. poss 1856 Q1 Hendon, Middlesex, 3A p89
b. poss 1856 Q3 Stepney, London 1C p463
I don't have a huge fund, so am loathe to buy both certificates as speculation.

If anyone has info, I'd be most appreciative!
Thanks
Gideon

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 13:43

Quite likely that his birth simply wasn't registered..........there were no penalties prior to 1875 for not registering births

Your best bet is to look for a baptism

BUT.........if he definitely had a second forename, logic dictates that it would be recorded at the time of his birth. If the births you have found don't have second names............................

Who witnessed the marriage to Charlotte?

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 13:47

For birthplace....................

1881 census


Person: RICHARDSON, James F Address: 6, Rose Terrace, Islington

RICHARDSON, James F Head Married M 24 1857 Potman (Man)
Hoxton, Middlesex VIEW
RICHARDSON, Charlotte Wife Married F 25 1856
Ditchingham, Norfolk VIEW
RICHARDSON, Edith M Daughter Single F 0 1881
Islington, Middlesex

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 13:52

The Hendon Birth is accounted for in census records, and would have been too early, if his age in 1881 is accurate

Stepney district does not cover Hoxton

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jun 2013 13:55

a possibilty
fathers occupation fly ??????????? ( cannot decipher it)
Name: James Richardson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1855
Father's Name: William Richardson
Mother's Name: Fanny Richardson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Edmonton All Saints
Borough: Enfield
Register Type: Parish Registers

Gideon

Gideon Report 27 Jun 2013 13:58

Reggie,
Thanks for the quick response.

Lookin gon the map, Hendon & Hoxton are only abut 8 miles away, so perhaps Hoxton is the district name. I'd overlooked that.
Maybe I'll speculate on that one first.

Thanks,
Gideon

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jun 2013 14:00

maybe not
he was according to 1861 born in Tottenham

Name: James Richardson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Richardson
Mother's Name: Fanny Richardson
Gender: Male
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image

Registration District: Edmonton
Sub-registration District: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 25
Piece: 794
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Richardson 47
Fanny Richardson 38
Fanny Richardson 10
Edward Richardson 7
James Richardson 5
Emily Richardson 4
William Richardson 6 Months
Mary Andrews 39
Ann Chiff 47
Sarah Johnson 14

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 14:00

For info.......................

1861 census


Person: RICHARDSON, Will Address: 11, Upper New Street, Stepney, Tower Hamlets

RICHARDSON, Will Head Married M 40 1821 Cabinet Maker
Rickmansworth VIEW
RICHARDSON, Eliz Wife Married F 41 1820
Barton, ... VIEW
RICHARDSON, Will Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Scholar
Whitechapel VIEW
RICHARDSON, Jas Son M 4 1857 Scholar
Stepney VIEW
RICHARDSON, Sarah J Daughter F 1 1860
Stepney VIEW Piece: 290 Folio: 96 Page: 4 Registration District: Mile End Old Town Civil Parish: Stepney Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlet


The mother was born in Barton, Gloucester

Maddie

Maddie Report 27 Jun 2013 14:02

Hoxton is just to the South of Tottenham

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 14:05

And just north of the City of London...............apparently.

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 14:05

Gideon

As I stated....the Hendon child is accounted for..................

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 14:10


1851 census

Person: RICHARDSON, William Address: 3, Somerset Place, New Road, Stepney, Tower Hamlets

HICKS, John W Head Married M 49 1802 Furniture Dealer
Bermondsey, Surrey VIEW
HICKS, Mary Ann Wife Married F 45 1806
Wapping, Middlesex VIEW
RICHARDSON, William Visitor Married M 29 1822 Cabinet Maker
Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire VIEW
RICHARDSON, William James Visitor M 3 1848
Whitechapel, Middlesex VIEW
RICHARDSON, James Fedrick Visitor M 1 1850
Whitechapel, Middlesex VIEW
RAMSEY, Ann Visitor F 74 1777 Dependent On Friend
Plumstead, Surrey VIEW
RICHARDSON, Elizabeth Visitor Married F 29 1822 Cabinet Maker Wife
Morton, Gloucestershire

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Jun 2013 14:12

The first James

Births Dec 1849 (>99%)
RICHARDSON James Frederick Whitechapel 2 616

Deaths Jun 1854 (>99%)
Richardson James Frederick Stepney 1c 342

His birth cert would tell you MMN

Gideon

Gideon Report 27 Jun 2013 14:56

Thanks everyone!
The death of the first James would fit in with the birth of the second. And suggest they had a fondness for "James" as a name!

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Jun 2013 16:23

Don't you think he might be this one:

Births Sep 1859
FLETCHER James Richardson Whitechapel 1c 341
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The other one seems to be unmarried in 1881:
1881 England Census about James Richardson
Name: James Richardson
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Richardson
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Nicholas St
Occupation: Correspondance Clerk
Registration District: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration District: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Piece: 478
Folio: 144
Page Number: 33
Elizabeth Richardson 61
James Richardson 24
Walter Richardson 18
Sarah J. Richardson 21
Edward Squire 21
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 478; Folio: 144; Page: 33; GSU roll: 1341105


Maureen

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Jun 2013 17:23

This one looks probable:
1871
Name: James Richardson
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Richardson
Mother's Name: Celia Richardson
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Haggerstone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Haggerston West
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household Schedule Number: 81
Piece: 464
Folio: 36
Page Number: 15

William Richardson 39 Occ:Cabinet maker
Celia Richardson 40
William Richardson 18
Eliza Richardson 15
Harry Richardson 13
James Richardson 11
Edward Richardson 1 Month

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 464; Folio: 36; Page: 15; GSU roll: 823365.

They are listed as RICHARSON in 1861 and seem to have a different mother-Elisa???


Maureen

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 27 Jun 2013 17:32

If you look at this marriage:
England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charlotte Huckle
Name: Charlotte Huckle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Age: 21
Spouse Name: William Richardson
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 May 1874
Parish: Shoreditch St Mark
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Henry Huckle
Spouse Father Name: William Richardson
Register Type: Parish Register

the signatures of William and Charlotte match those of the witnesses to James and Charlotte's marriage.

Maureen

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 29 Jun 2013 17:35

Just nudging this one up for opinions.

I see/saw a C*lia FLETCHER out there but darned if I can do a mix and match.

Maureen
:-)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Jun 2013 19:02

Maureen, they are definitely the same signatures.

It's helped by the fact that Charlotte Huckle had been a bit too keen to sign her new name on the register so had signed as Richardson.

No doubt at all about William's.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 29 Jun 2013 19:58

<3 :-D
Thank you, MC!!!

Mo