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GERTRUDE LILY GIBBS BORN SEPT 1891

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ELIZABETH

ELIZABETH Report 7 Jul 2013 21:38

Thank you for the wealth of information, we now seem to be getting somewhere and once we receive a copy of Gertrudes birth certificate we will be able to see if we are on the right track.
We also need to establish the relationship of louisa harbet, nee gibbs, and gertrude as louisa is registered as living at 60 northumberland road which is the address that is given for gertrude on my fathers birth certificate.

Once again thank you for all your help,

Liz x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 17:50

1871 England Census
about Matilda Gladwyn Name: Matilda Gladwyn
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife Of Housekeeper (Housekeeper)
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration District: Southampton
Sub-registration District: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household Schedule Number: 202
Piece: 1189
Folio: 73
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
James Durkin 79
Joseph Gladwyn 32
Matilda Gladwyn 34
William Gladwyn 4

Henrietta is with her Grandparents.....

1871 England Census
about Henrietta M Gladwin Name: Henrietta M Gladwin
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: Millbrook
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Freemantle
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration District: South Stoneham
Sub-registration District: Millbrook
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household Schedule Number: 175
Piece: 1200
Folio: 99
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
George Gladwin 63 (Wortham Essex)
Henrietta S Gladwin 59
Henrietta M Gladwin 9
(Lilham or Lilian? Villa, Waterloo Road)


Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%)

Gladwyn Joseph S Stoneham 2c 81
Steel Matilda S. Stoneham 2c 81






PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 17:33

Looking at the image of the 1891 census, it seems that Joseph and Matilda (Henrietta's parents) are actually living in the same property as Willaim and Henrietta at..

No 1 Stock Street....

1891 England Census
about Matilda Gladwyn Name: Matilda Gladwyn
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Gladwyn
Gender: Female
Where born: Landford, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1325
Folio: 109
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Gladwyn 51 (Ships Cook)
Matilda Gladwyn 55


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Matilda Gladwyn Name: Matilda Gladwyn
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1904
Age at Death: 69
Registration District: South Stoneham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 38






ELIZABETH

ELIZABETH Report 4 Jul 2013 16:46

You've done such a lot of work Thank you!

Liz

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 16:36

1881 England Census
about Henrietta Gladwin Name: Henrietta Gladwin
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Matilda Gladwin
Gender: Female
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 75 Sandal St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1718
Folio: 87
Page Number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Gender: Female
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 75 Sandal St
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 1718
Folio: 87
Page Number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Matilda Gladwin 45 (Married) Ships Cooks Wife
Henrietta Gladwin 19
William Gladwin 14
John J. Royal 53 (Brother)
Eliza Royal 37 (Sister)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 16:15

In the 1911 census, William and Henrietta state they have just 2 children living....

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Harold Thomas Gibbs Name: Harold Thomas Gibbs
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1885
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 171



??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Harold Gibbs Name: Harold Gibbs
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1907
Age at Death: 21
Registration District: South Stoneham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 43

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 16:04

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Winifred Daisy Gibbs Name: Winifred Daisy Gibbs
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1883
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 93


Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%)
BULLEN Francis Arthur Southampton 2c 82
Gibbs Winifred Daisy Southampton 2c 82


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: BULLEN, Winifred Daisy
Address: 12 Cawte Road Southampton

ROYAL, Eliza Head Widow F 67 1844 Essex Little Burstead VIEW
GLADWYN, Joseph Brother Widower M 71 1840 Gas Stove Cleaner Essex Little Burstead VIEW
BULLEN, Francis Arthur Husband Of Niece Married1 years M 27 1884 Florist Kent Lewisham VIEW
BULLEN, Winifred Daisy Niece Married F 27 1884 Essex Plaistow VIEW

Joseph is Winifred's Father.


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 15:45

William and Henrietta in the 1911......

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: GIBBS, Henrietta
Address: 8 Ryde Terrace Southampton

GIBBS, William Head Married29 years M 49 1862 Docklabourer Southampton Hants
GIBBS, Henrietta Wife Married29 years F 49 1862 Southampton Hants
RG number: RG14
Piece: 5978
Reference: RG14PN5978 RG78PN273B RD99 SD1 ED44 SN134
Registration District: Southampton
Sub District: Southampton Eastern
Enumeration District: 44
Parish: St Mary
Address: 8 Ryde Terrace Southampton
County: Hampshire
(9 children born, 2 living, 7 had died)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 15:43

Hi Elizabeth

It really would be in your best interest to purchase a copy of Gertrudes birth cert so that you can find out her Mothers maiden name.

The only William Gibbs i could find born 1863 Southampton in 1891 is this one.....


..1891 England Census
about William Gibbs Name: William Gibbs
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Henrietta Gibbs
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1325
Folio: 109
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
William Gibbs 29 (Occ: looks like "Tailor" but possibly "Sailor")
Henrietta Gibbs 29 Millbrook Southampton
Winifred D Gibbs 7
Harold T Gibbs 5

(Note they are living in West Ham where Gertrude was born........they are also living next door to Henrietta's parents........Joseph and Matilda.


Looking at the 1901.......posted above, it seems to me that Henrietta has been mistranscribed as "Elizabeth"

Other members have helped look for a Willam Gibbs with wife Henrietta in 1901 but they cannot be found.

William and Henrietta's marriage......


Marriages Dec 1882
GIBBS William - W. Ham 4a 228
Gladwyn Henrietta Matilda - W. Ham



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Henrietta Matilda Gladwyn Name: Henrietta Matilda Gladwyn
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1861
Registration District: South Stoneham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 55


William and Henrietta's children Winifred and Henry are with their Aunt in the 1901 census.......


1901 England Census
about Winifred D Gibbs Name: Winifred D Gibbs
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Plaistow, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Shirley
Ecclesiastical parish: Freemantle Christchurch
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: South Stoneham
Sub-registration District: Millbrook
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 44
Piece: 1073
Folio: 113
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Royal 57 (Widow)
Joseph Gladwyn 61 (Brother)
Matilda Gladwyn 65 (Sister in Law)
Winifred D Gibbs 19 (Niece)
Harold T Gibbs 15 (Nephew)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 08:37

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Gertrude Gibbs Name: Gertrude Gibbs
Spouse Name: Daniel Maunders
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942
Registration District: Newbury
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 930



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Gertrude Lily Maunders Name: Gertrude Lily Maunders
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1891
Date of Registration: Mar 1972
Age at Death: 80
Registration District: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 2240

Have you got Gertrudes birth cert to know her Mothers maiden name?





PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jul 2013 08:35


1901 England Census
about Gertrude Gibbs Name: Gertrude Gibbs
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Gibbs
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gibbs
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Southampton
Sub-registration District: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 388
Piece: 1056
Folio: 183
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
William Gibbs 38 (Docks Labourer)
Elizabeth Gibbs 38
Gertrude Gibbs 9

Res: 1 Endle Street


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Jul 2013 23:58

According to a tree on Ancestry, this is the Gertrude Lily that was born 1891

1901

GIBBS, William Head Married M 38 1863 Dock Labourer Southampton, Hampshire
GIBBS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1863 Southampton, Hampshire
GIBBS, Gertrude Daughter F 9 1892 London

Piece: 1056 Folio: 183 Page: 51
Registration District: Southampton
Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary M

Address: 1, Endle Street, Southampton St Mary, Southampton County: Hampshire

I can see the London to Southampton connection.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jul 2013 20:58

OK............no worries Elizabeth.

It was just that i knew i had seen a similar thread before.

Prickles. x

ELIZABETH

ELIZABETH Report 3 Jul 2013 20:54

Hi

Don't think the threads on the other Lily Gibbs match up. Starting back at square one again. Years of birth different

Liz

ELIZABETH

ELIZABETH Report 3 Jul 2013 20:51

My father's birth certificate gave her name as Lily Gibbs and I was therefore working on this, but Southampton Archives from their workhouse records have today told me her name was actually Gertrude Lily and she was born in Sept 1891. Apparently her address was given on workhouse admission as the Salvation Army Hostel but on the birth certificate it is 60 Northumberland Road. From the census, a Louisa (nee Gibbs) is reported as living at the address in Northumberland Road and I am thinking maybe she was an aunt. Gertrude was apparently unmarried in 1918 with no name on the birth certificate though my parents' marriage certificate state his father's name was George Gibbs with occupation as 'docker' . So you can see how confused we are!!!

The history is really quite complex with my father and her leaving the workhouse at the same time but with a gap of about 18 months before Dad is readmitted to the workhouse on several occasions. However, cant find anything else out about her after 1920.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Jul 2013 20:38

Elizabeth - how have you converted the Lily Gibbs mentioned on the other threads into Gertrude Lily born 1891 in West Ham?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Jul 2013 20:36

Elizabeth is following the advice she received on this thread too by starting her own thread:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/lilly%20gibbs%20m.%20william%20chappell/thread/1188365

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jul 2013 20:31


Is this connected......

??

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1327286

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jul 2013 20:28

This rings a bell.

Have we done this before?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jul 2013 20:26

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Gertrude Lily Gibbs Name: Gertrude Lily Gibbs
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 76