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Samuel Charles 1795 Swansea Not Answered

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Michael

Michael Report 5 Jul 2013 19:38

I have hit a brick wall even after paying for a researcher (admittedly only one hours worth) in searching for Samuel. I know that I have seen in Black and White that he was born in Saint Mary's Swansea but there is no baptismal or Newspaper reference. He is the 1951 census as coming from Swansea.
Can anyone please suggest an avenue of research?
Many thanks
Mike

Renes

Renes Report 5 Jul 2013 20:38

Hi Michael ----

I wonder do you have any more details ......please a marriage ... or baptism of his children if any

Are you picking up his baptism date from the census

I have seen some baptisms for "Samuel Charles" at St Marys Swansea but 1806 or 1808

so much later

Renes

Renes

Renes Report 5 Jul 2013 20:45

Sorry should have added for ref
are you talking about this family `please

1851 census transcription details for: Cow Wood
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107Piece: 1997Folio: 396Page: 31
Reg. District: Wellington Sub District: Wellington Salop
: Enum. District: 1K
Address: Cow Wood County: Shropshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Where Born
CHARLES, Samuel Head Married M 56 1795 Iron Miner
Swansea, South Wales
CHARLES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 55 1796 Wellington, Salop
CHARLES, Isaac Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Iron Miner Wellington, Salop
CHARLES, Harriot Daughter F 13 1838 At HomeWellington, Salop
PRICE, Martha Mother-In-Law Widow F 71 1780 Pauper On Parish Wellington, Salop


Michael

Michael Report 5 Jul 2013 22:21

Hi Rene
Yes you have the correct family.
I remember seeing evidence of his birth in Saint Mary's Swansea.
The papers went to the USA and were lost.
Samuel died in 1856 in Wellington, Shropshire.
The 1851 census supports the fact that Samuel was born in Swansea.
I don't know where to look next.
Any suggestions would be welcome.
I have ordered Samuels death cert but don't expect much information from it.
Thanks for your heLp
Mike

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 5 Jul 2013 22:54

Younger children as per the 1841 census:

Stephen (20)
Emma (15)
Enoch (11)
Ann (7)

Suggests a marriage about 1818-1820

Renes

Renes Report 5 Jul 2013 23:19

Michael

Did you see his parents names in the parish register ..

Michael

Michael Report 5 Jul 2013 23:28

Hi Rene
Sadly the record showed only Samuel Charles 1975 saint Mary's Swansea.
No other detail are known, it is his family origins that I seek.
Mike

Renes

Renes Report 5 Jul 2013 23:50


Nice find BeverleyW

Looking at what Family Search has ... It looks like they did not record much detail
At St Mary ..... Even in the early 1800 ....

I think the best course of action is to search now for his marriage entry ... Possibly in Wellington Salop - hopefully to to an Elizabeth Price ....

If she is his first and only wife, and his mother in law has not remarried , i will have. Look around Shropshire .. and hope his father is named ...

Dorset were recording the parents around 1820 ...

From Family Search

Samuel Charles
Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900
baptism: 1806 Swansea St. Mary, Glamorgan, Wales
parents: Samuel

Samuel Charles
Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900
baptism: 1809 Swansea St. Mary, Glamorgan, Wales
parents: Samuel

Samuel Charles
Wales, Glamorganshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
birth: 6 March 1806
baptism: 12 November 1806 Swansea, St Mary, Glamorganshire, Wales

Samuel Charles
Wales, Glamorganshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
birth: 27 April 1808
baptism: 2 July 1809 Swansea, St Mary, Glamorganshire, Wales

Renes

Renes Report 6 Jul 2013 00:20

Well I have found some baptism records of his children
Two Enochs one died

Enoch Charles
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 22 June 1823 WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
death: 4 August 1824 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
parents: Samuel Charles, Elizabeth

Ann Charles
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 15 August 1830 WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
parents: Samuel, Elizth

Enoch Charles
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 20 January 1828 WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
parents: Samuel Charles, Elizth.

Isaac Charles
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 10 May 1835 WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
parents: Saml. Charles, Elizth.

Still looking for Marriage ....

Michael

Michael Report 6 Jul 2013 10:01

He Renes
Thanks for your help.
I have seen a family tree with a marriage date of 1816 for Samuel and Elizabeth.
I cannot find any entry for their marriage.
I have emailed the tree owner but it seems that he has Elizabeth dying in Powick so the information cannot be correct.
Thanks again
God Bless
Mike

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

safc

safc Report 6 Jul 2013 14:31

County Glamorganshire
Place Swansea
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 12 Nov 1806
Forename Samuel
Sex M
FatherForename Samuel
MotherForename
FatherSurname CHARLES
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 28698

Renes

Renes Report 6 Jul 2013 19:07

Michael

Have you marked this thread as answered please

Was their marriage found ?

Michael

Michael Report 6 Jul 2013 19:48

Hi Renes
Have I made a mistake?
I cannot find Samuel and Elizabeth's marriage.
one tree states that there marriage was 1816 Madeley Shropshire but I cannot find any listing.
Sorry for the error
Mike

Renes

Renes Report 6 Jul 2013 19:58

No its not your fault ........ but when the marked as answered box is activated --- other helpers see it and think the information has been given

Unfortunately -- the system does not permit an Untick ... ot Ticked in error button

Did think it was strange as that baptism was on the list I posted yesterday ... with a couple of others ..... which we knew were not correct as you have seen the actual 1795 entry ---

Can you go in to EDIT ...... on your first post ..... you will see .. the Heading you gave and add NOT ANSWERED to it ---- others will see it and maybe someone who knows Weliington .. or lives near may look for a marriage .... as Shropshires parish records are in the very early days of transcribing on line

Hope this helps

x Renes

Michael

Michael Report 6 Jul 2013 20:35

Hi Renes
Is that OK?
Mike

Renes

Renes Report 6 Jul 2013 20:54


Brilliant ................ well done x


Lets hope we can find that marriage

will ask one of my friends to have a search .............

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 6 Jul 2013 20:56

Thats Grand Michael...

Michael

Michael Report 6 Jul 2013 21:55

The children's christening dates are brilliant, I was viewing them today. But it does a mystery; they were obviously churched people, why no marriage details?
Strange!
Mike the mad monk

Renes

Renes Report 6 Jul 2013 23:04

If we can locate the two elder children
( on the 1841 found by Emma) Stephen c 1821 and Emma c 1826 baptisms

Remembering the rounding up of ages in 1841

They may not have been at Wellington .....

Renes

Renes

Renes Report 7 Jul 2013 00:13

Well I have found Emma at Dawley Magna and Google says the church there is Holy Trinity

Name: Emma Charles
Christening Date: 28 Aug 1825
Christening Place: Dawley-Magna, Shropshire, England
Father's Name: Samuel Charles
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Charles
: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03011-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1526897
Reference ID: v 5 p 72