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Trying to find when my Paternal Grandfather died.

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Pamela

Pamela Report 6 Jul 2013 06:17

I am trying to find out when and where my paternal grandfather died. His name was Samuel William Johnson, born on 31 July 1880. He married Ada Susannah Golding. His father was George Benjamin Johnson. They lived mainly in Surrey, especially around Lambeth, also London UK. Many thanks Pam

Astra

Astra Report 6 Jul 2013 06:54

Hi Pam

It's very difficult with such a common name to locate a death. Do you know if he fought in WW1.

If this is Ada's death registration then the certificate may tell you if she was a widow and also who notified the death. That will give you a time-scale to work from.

Deaths Mar 1937 (>99%)
Johnson Ada S 55 Surrey Mid E. 2a 391

EDIT: She appears alone on the Electoral register from 1925 until 1936. Her children Cyril and George Benjamin are living with her on the later ones but there is no sign of Samuel so he maybe died in WW1

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 6 Jul 2013 07:03

This is Ada's death I think

Name: Ada S Johnson
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Mar 1937
Age at Death: 55
Registration District: Surrey Mid eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 391

There is this probate but widow is Alice Jane....

Name: Samuel William Johnson
Probate Date: 23 Feb 1940
Death Date: 3 Jan 1940
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London, England

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 6 Jul 2013 07:07

Name: Ada Susannah Johnson
Probate Date: 3 Feb 1937
Death Date: 2 Jan 1937
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London, England

Ada Susannah (wife of Samuel William Johnson) administration (with will) to George Benjamin Johnson shop assistant £35 14s 7d

Guess this is their son????

Jude

Pamela

Pamela Report 6 Jul 2013 08:04

Thanks for all of your replies, Samuel was the black sheep, and Ada lived with my father, who looked after her before she died and he administered her will.. To the best of my knowledge they officially separated in the 1920's Don't know that he fought in the war, but he certainly didn't die then. Mum & dad's marriage certificate (1937) says he is deceased, but I don't really know if they knew for sure. That is the trouble with all of these Johnson's makes it hard work, but interesting. Thanks cheers Pam

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 6 Jul 2013 08:21

Pamela....I'd look at that probate I posted..although I can't find a death to match of the correct age. I certainly cannot find a marriage to fit between Samuel William and Alice Jane which might mean they didn't marry because he was still married to your grandmother. Is one of the trees on Ancestry your's? There are a few nice photos.

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 6 Jul 2013 08:24

This is the death that goes with the probate I think

Deaths Mar 1940 (>99%)
Johnson Samuel W 68 Croydon 2a 1621

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 6 Jul 2013 08:27

This is "him" with Alice Jane in 1901 :-(

Name: Samuel W Johnson
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice J Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Croydon
Sub-registration District: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 258
Piece: 642
Folio: 133
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel W Johnson 29
Alice J Johnson 30
Herbert S Johnson 6
Robert W Johnson 3

and this is their marriage

Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
Brown Mary Elizabeth Croydon 2a 432
Cousins Charles Croydon 2a 432
Johnson Samuel William Croydon 2a 432
March Alice Jane Croydon 2a 432


So probably not your black sheep ;-)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Jul 2013 09:09

Just to eliminate the one who married Alice Jane:

Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937

Name: Samuel William Johnson
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1871
Marriage Date: 12 Oct 1893
Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, St Peter
Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Spouse: Alice Jane March
Spouse Age: 22
Father: William Johnson <<<<<<<<<<<<< wrong father
Spouse Father: James March
Reference Number: 2912/1/12

EDIT: and of course he's too old!