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Eliza Higgs

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Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 8 Jul 2013 17:51

Possible death of Eliza?

Deaths Dec 1877
LEARY Eliza 33 Mile End 1c 371

and

Christopher?

Deaths Mar 1879
Schnackenberg Christopher 40 Poplar 1c 491

Christine

Christine Report 8 Jul 2013 17:50

Problem solved...? ...that's why his real name was Schnackenberg...?...it was all very hushed up and not spoke about...!!...But my mum told me his real name...!!...lol...THANK YOU ALL...!!

jeez what a family...!!.... :-D

Christine

Christine Report 8 Jul 2013 17:46

Wow...look at all them Schnackenbergs....!!...I can sure sift through that lot in the next few days...William Leary's sister....I think her name may have been Marion Schnackenberg was deaf and dumb... and I can just remember her...!!..Wow you lot have been incredible...thank you all for your help...it is really appreciated..!!.... :-D

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2013 17:44

So if William Charles was born in October 1880 and the marriage was in February 1880 was Elizabeth pregnant when she married which is why his real name is Schackenberg

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 8 Jul 2013 17:44

According to the marriage cert Edward was a widower and Elizabeth nee Dowsett was a widow

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 8 Jul 2013 17:42

Well done, Maddie & Astra!!! I too was wondering about the change of name from Eliza to Elizabeth!!!

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2013 17:41

The father's match. So why is it wrong?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jul 2013 17:40

But it's the wrong Elizabeth, sadly! [EDIT: No it's right. Thanks, Astra - below. I'm getting confused between Elizabeth and Eliza.]

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Christopher Schnackenberg
Name: Christopher Schnackenberg
Age: Minor
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Dowsett
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Apr 1858
Parish: Holy Trinity Minories
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Christopher Schnackenberg
Spouse Father Name: Henry Dowsett
Register Type: Parish Register

Christine

Christine Report 8 Jul 2013 17:40

I was told she was in service...?...jeez how interesting is that...?... :-D

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Jul 2013 17:39

are we getting there ?
maddie

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jul 2013 17:38

Re Maddie & Astra's Schnackenberg find:

????

1871 England Census about Elizth Schnackenberg
Name: Elizth Schnackenberg
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Christr Schnackenberg
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Schedule Number: 277
Piece: 598
Folio: 29
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Christr Schnackenberg 38
Elizth Schnackenberg 31
Mary A Schnackenberg 10
Clara Schnackenberg 2




England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Christopher Schnackenberg
Name: Christopher Schnackenberg
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1879
Age at Death: 40
Registration District: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 491

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2013 17:36

You beat me to it maddie.

I was looking at the change from Eliza to Elizabeth

Name: Edward Leary
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Age: 39
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Schnackenberg
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Feb 1880
Parish: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Leary
Spouse Father Name: Henry Dowsett
Register Type: Parish Register

Christine

Christine Report 8 Jul 2013 17:34

1911 census is spot on...I know of Appian Road....the 1861 census looks promising......Higgs might be worth a follow up...unless Eliza was born out of wedlock...?...lol.... :-D

Stuart

Stuart Report 8 Jul 2013 17:27

Did Eliza follow in grandma's footsteps

1871 census transcription details for: Oxford St

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 558
Folio: 100
Page: 18
Reg. District: Mile End Old Town
Sub District: Mile End Old Town, Western
Parish:
Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Oxford St
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WARMAN, George Head M 30 1841 Middlesex
WARMAN, Annie Wife F 28 1843 Cambridgeshire
WARMAN, George J Son M 6 1865 Middlesex
WARMAN, Annie M Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex
WARMAN, Ellen M Daughter F 3 1868 Middlesex
WARMAN, - Daughter F 0 1871 Middlesex
HIGGS, Harriet Nurse F 59 1812 Middlesex

A widow, born Stepney

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Jul 2013 17:26

??????
Civil registration event: Marriage
View the original image

Name: LEARY, Edward

Registration district: [?] Mile End Old Town

County: London

Year of registration: 1880

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 1C

Page no: [?] 787
MarriageFinder™: [?] Edward Leary married one of the following people Transcript
SCHNACKENBERG, Elizabeth

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2013 17:20

1911

Name: William Leary
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stepney
Civil Parish: Poplar
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 34 Appian Rd, Bow E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: WOOD BARKER
Registration District: Poplar
Registration District Number: 22
Sub-registration District: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 1676
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Charles Leary 74
William Leary 31
Eliza Leary 40
William Humm 23
Lena Humm 21
John Humm 18
Elizabeth Humm 16
Florence Leary 24

The presence of Edward Charles confirms we have the right Eliza and her mother was Eliza Higgs.

Stuart

Stuart Report 8 Jul 2013 17:19

? Eliza Higg/s senior who married Edward Leary - father noted as John a Ropemaker on marriage cert
?? Eliza Higg/s senior who married Edward Learey/Larey - Marr cert notes father as John a Ropemaker

1861 census transcription details for: 8, Bohn Street, Stepney

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 297
Folio: 16
Page: 34
Reg. District: Mile End Old Town
Sub District: 2 Mile End Old Town Eastern
Parish: Stepney
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Bohn Street, Stepney
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HIGG, John Head Married M 49 1812 Rope MakerBromley, Middlesex
HIGG, Harriet Wife Married F 49 1812 Stepney, Middlesex
HIGG, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Stepney, Middlesex
HIGG, Edward Son M 14 1847 Rope Spinner Stepney, Middlesex
KIMBERLEY, James Son In Law Married M 20 1841 Gas Meter Maker Middlesex
KIMBERLEY, Harriet E Daughter In Law Married F 21 1840 Chatham, Kent
KIMBERLEY, Harriet C Granddaughter F 0 (11M) 1861 Stepney, Middlesex

Christine

Christine Report 8 Jul 2013 17:17

Eliza was born in Middx ...I guess her mother may be Irish with regards to the potatoe famine...I don't think Eliza moved out of the East End...too busy deliverying babies...and taking in washing ...she couldn't read or write and failed her exams as a midwife....but was on hand to help the registered midwife when she wasn't around...lol....ah well back to the elusive EDWARD HIGGS...whoever he might be..?...guess it could be a mistake and Eliza could have given her mothers maiden name ..lol... :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jul 2013 17:13

Re Schnackenberg:

In 1891, as posted by Maddie and Astra, William's born in Bethnal Green, and his father Edward in Spitalfields.
Edward's traceable as Leary in all censuses including 1841 (mistranscribed Larry on Ancestry), and his father Michael was born in Middlesex. (Aldgate, in 1861 census).

Where does Schnackenberg come from?


1841 England Census about Edward Larry
Name: Edward Larry
[Edward Leary]
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Stepney
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Whitechapel
Sub-registration District: Mile End New Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 711
Book: 5
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Larry 39
Nancy Larry 37
James Larry 13
Sarah Larry 11
Elizth Larry 9
John Larry 8
Emma Larry 5
Edward Larry 2

Christine

Christine Report 8 Jul 2013 17:09

Eliza Leary is my great grandmother

My grandmother Elizabeth Humm died when my mum was ten so her grandmother Eliza Leary bought the children up with her husband William Charles Leary.....apparently William was a lot younger than Eliza... :-)