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Duggin/Duggan

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Thomas

Thomas Report 9 Jul 2013 13:33

trying to find birth data on my great grandfather Thomas Duggin. Census records suggest he was born in Manchester around 1853, but can't find any birth certificate .

He married Mary Ann Flood in Manchester in 1878.

His father, also Thomas was reputedly from Queens County Ireland, but I can't find anything on him either.

Any help/suggestions gratefully received

Thomas Joseph Duggin

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Jul 2013 14:06

Hello Thomas, welcome to the boards.

Before 1874 there was no penalty on parents if they didn't register children's births so it's quite possible he slipped through the net.

Do you have Thomas jnr's marriage certificate in case any of the witnesses were relatives?

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 9 Jul 2013 14:07

Thomas, Registration was not compulsory at that time so his birth may not have been registered.

Births Sep 1852??
Duggan Thomas Manchester 8d 170

Roy

Catherine

Catherine Report 9 Jul 2013 14:09

I wonder?

1861 England Census about Thomas Duggan
Name: Thomas Duggan
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Duggan
Mother's Name: Hannah Duggan
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: (of father) Shoe Maker ? Lodging house

Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-registration District: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 168
Piece: 2666
Folio: 26
Page Number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Duggan 29
Hannah Duggan 30
Thomas Duggan 7
John Duggan 5
Catharine Duggan 2

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Jul 2013 14:10

There is this record, though

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Thomas Duggan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1852
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 170

That record's from Ancestry but it's also on FreeBMD.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Jul 2013 14:14

I was curious about this 1861:

DUGGAN, John Head Married M 32 1829 Brick Maker Dublin
DUGGAN, Jane Wife Married F 32 1829 Labourer Manchester
DUGGAN, Thomas Son M 8 1853 Scholar Manchester
DUGGAN, Michael Father Widower M 45 1816 Brick Maker Dublin

Piece: 2932 Folio: 18 Page: 40
Registration District: Manchester
Civil Parish: Manchester
Municipal Borough: Manchester

Address: 16, Napier Street, Manchester County: Lancashire

I know the father's name is different, but ......

Catherine

Catherine Report 9 Jul 2013 14:15

This looks to be the Thomas born 1852, Manchester:-

1861 England Census about Thomas Duggan
Name: Thomas Duggan
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Duggan
Mother's Name: Jane Duggan
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: (of father:- Brush Maker)

Registration District: Manchester
Sub-registration District: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 178
Piece: 2932
Folio: 18
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
John Duggan 32 born: Dublin, Ireland
Jane Duggan 32
Thomas Duggan 8
Michael Duggan 65

...........but his father is John, not Thomas?

Catherine

Catherine Report 9 Jul 2013 14:15

What does father Thomas give as his occupation on the marriage cert. of Thomas and Mary Ann?

Any idea if he had any siblings?

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 9 Jul 2013 14:17

Is this the marriage?


Marriages Sep 1878
...............Duggin Thomas Chorlton 8c 959
...............FLOOD Mary Ann Chorlton 8c 959
ROWBOTHAM Mary Ellen Chorlton 8c 959
WIGLEY John Chorlton 8c 959


Note the district is Chorlton


Births Mar 1853 ??
Duggan Thomas Frederick Chorlton 8c 478


added

CHORLTON REGISTRATION DISTRICT
•Registration County : Lancashire.
•Created : 1.7.1837.
•Abolished : 1.1.1925 (to become Manchester South registration district).
•Sub-districts : Ardwick, Barton, Chorlton upon Medlock, Didsbury, Gorton, Hulme, Openshaw, Rusholme, Stretford.
•GRO volumes : XX (1837–51), 8c (1852–1924).
•Registers currently held at : Manchester, Salford and Trafford

from lancs bmds

DUGGIN Thomas FLOOD Mary A 1878 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registar Attended Manchester Lancashire CHO_RM/47/165

lancs bmds gives place of birth forThomas Frederick in Mar quarter 1853 is down as Ardwick


Roy

Thomas

Thomas Report 9 Jul 2013 16:59

thanks Roy

yes the marriage was 4 8 1878 at st wilfreds rc church hulme.

I will try to get the marriage cert

Mike *

Mike * Report 9 Jul 2013 18:28




Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1852
DUGGAN Thomas
Deansgate Manchester DEA/37/80




Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1853
DUGGAN Thomas Frederick -
Ardwick Manchester ARD/28/

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Jul 2013 08:54

Thomas,
If you don't already have the marriage cert. then how do you know that his father was also called Thomas?

Thomas

Thomas Report 18 Jul 2013 10:41

The marriage certificate shows the father as Thomas (deceased) a ships steward.

The church record suggests he was born in Queens County Ireland