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Wm. James Crowe ).
In 1901 / 11 cens. as born :1869 Bangalore, India (Army family??)
Died, known as 'Jim Crowe' in Plymouth, Devon C.1932.

This is driving me mad - no family or whereabouts clues apparent prior to 1901 appearance in Plymouth.
Aaaaaargh!
Shirley

Is this him (for reference) ?

1911 census transcription details for: 12 Market Street East Stonehouse
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN13010 RG78PN750 RD277 SD1 ED6 SN8
Reg. District: East Stonehouse
Sub District: East Stonehouse
Parish: East Stonehouse
Enum. District: 6
Address: 12 Market Street East Stonehouse
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CROWE, William Head Married M 43 1868 Hired Labourer India Madrasa Resident
CROWE, Jane Wife Married
14 years F 46 1865 Devon Barnstaple

Dea x

1901 census transcription details for: 66, George Street, East Stonehouse
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2104
Folio: 90
Page: 13
Reg. District: East Stonehouse
Sub District: East Stonehouse
Parish: East Stonehouse
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: St Goerge
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 66, George Street, East Stonehouse
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CROWE, William Head Married M 33 1868 General Labourer
Bangalore E India
CROWE, Jane Wife Married F 37 1864
Barnstaple, Devonshire

Dea x

Name: William Crowe
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Bangalore E India
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: East Stonehouse
Sub-District: East Stonehouse
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Goerge
Civil Parish: East Stonehouse
District/Parish/County: Devonshire

Long shot but you never know....
Info from FMP
There is a William Henry Crowe born 1869 Secunderabad E. India (9th Foot)
Joined Royal Artillery, Bangalore age 15yrs 11mths - 1883 No. 39283
Discharged UK after 12 years - 1895 in Devonport 1894.
Parents: Malekiah and Elizabeth Bangalore E. India

There was a Malachi Crowe in the Army discharged 1882, place unknown.

I was wondering about this marriage?



West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name:William Crowe <<Occ Warder

Birth Year:abt 1870

Age:26

Marriage or Bann Date:10 Oct 1896

Parish:Lockwood, Emmanuel

Father's Name: Liversidge Crowe Occ: Goods porter

Spouse's Name: Jane Lee

Spouse's Father's Name:Joe Lee Occ: Mill wright

Wit: Jim Lee & Fred Lee

That's interesting Ginns - where did this marriage take place?

Dea x

It was in Huddersfield Dea

Ive found the family on the census and it says William was born Yorkshire, so maybe not the right one

Or..........he could have just 'said' he was born in India?

Jane Lee was also born in Yorkshire c1870 so it can't be the correct marriage for the ones we are following. :-(

Dea x

I think the record Alemap has posted looks promising given the age, birthplace and discharge location. So the middle name on that is Henry? - there's no mention of any middle name on the two census records. Has the assumption been made that his middle name is James because he was known as "Jim"?

My brother in law's name bears no resemblance whatsoever to James but he is known as Jim because when he was a lad he used to get called "Sunny Jim" after a cartoon character. He has the name Jim on his word ID, bank account etc

There's often no logic as to why people are called by certain names.

I see we are on the same wavelength MC.

William H was RC before becoming a Wesleyan, so James could be a confirmation name or it could be a name he picked up like "Sunny Jim"

1891 this one is gunner Royal Artillery (British subject)

Name:
Harry Crowe
Age:
25
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1866
Relation:
Soldier
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Kurrachee, India
Civil Parish:
Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish:
Milton St James
County/Island:
Hampshire Country:
England
Registration District:
Portsea Island

Sub-registration District:
Landport
ED, institution, or vessel:
Eastney Barracks

Surname CROWE
Given Names Malachias
Deceased Rank Pensioned Sergt
Deceased Occupation 14th Hussars
Death Date 21 July 1903
Age 62 yrs
Inscription Malachias Crowe, Pensioned Sergt. 14th Hussars, died 21 July 1903, aged 62 years. Erected by his widow Elizabeth
Church / Cemetery Bangalore Hoosoor Road Cemetery

(above on below)

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php

Chris :)

William Henry's marriage.



Name:
Violet Marie Bashall
Event type:
Marriage
Start date:
Start year:
1896 - 1900
Location:
Poona
Spouse:
William Henry Crowe
Age:
Status:
Parents:
Notes:
Transcribed by:
FIBIS
India Office Records Reference:

Z/N/11/9/f. 907
Source name:
Registry Office Marriage Index
Source year:
1896 - 1900

Name:
Violet Marie Bashall
Gender:
Female
Spouse Name:
Richard Warwick Bashall
Spouse Gender:
Male
Petition Year:
1894
Type of Record:
Wife's petition
Divorce Court File Number:
16481
Also named is a William Fox

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1303846

(relating)

Chris :)

1891
Name:
Violet Bashall
Age:
23
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1868
Relation:
Wife
Spouse's Name:
Richard W Bashall
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:
Nateby
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Helen
Town:
Bonds
SO this seems to be her
1901
Name:
Violet M Crowe
Age:
33
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1868
Relation:
Boarder
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:
Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Paul Onslow Square
County/Island:
London
Country:
England
living on own means, also child

Name:
Margaret Crowe
Age:
3 Weeks
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1901
Relation:
Boarder
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Ash Ken, London, England
Civil Parish:
Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Paul Onslow Square

My grey cells must be dying off as I didn't recollect having worked on a previous thread about the same people. It would have been very useful if this new request had been tagged onto the previous one for the background information.

I still think it's William Henry Crowe, who just happened to be known as Jim.