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William & Mary J Hellyar

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Douglas

Douglas Report 12 Jul 2013 15:55

Can anyone help me to find the maiden name of Mary J Hellyar, born 1873 Scarborough, Married to William Hellyar he was born I believe in St Merryn Cornwall in1867 on the 1901 census they lived in South Shields Co. Durham date of marriage unknown.

Potty

Potty Report 12 Jul 2013 15:59

Possible:

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
HELLYAR William Rawling S.Shields 10a 1118 Scan available - click to view
SMALLER Mary Jane S Shields 10a 1118

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Jul 2013 15:59

Hello Douglas, have you looked for a marriage on FreeBMD? http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

(Welcome to the boards)

Potty

Potty Report 12 Jul 2013 16:00

Douglas, use this site for births, marriages and deaths:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 12 Jul 2013 16:00

There is this marriage? Do you know whether William had a middle name?

Marriages Dec 1897
Charlton Isabella South Shields 10a 1118
>>HELLYAR William Rawling S.Shields 10a 1118
>>SMALLER Mary Jane S Shields 10a 1118
Turnbull Ralph South Shields 10a 1118

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 12 Jul 2013 16:02

Possible??
Marriages Dec 1897


Charlton Isabella South Shields 10a 1118
HELLYAR William Rawling S.Shields 10a 1118 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SMALLER Mary Jane S Shields 10a 1118 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Turnbull Ralph South Shields 10a 1118


Births Mar 1867

Hellyar William Rawling St. Columb 5c 104


Roy

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Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 12 Jul 2013 16:03

This is the 1911 census....it says married 14 years

Name: William Hellyar
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Padstow, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: South Shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 20 Devonshire St Tyne Dock South Shields
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Hopper Man
Registration District: South Shields
Registration District Number: 556
Sub-registration District: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 64
Piece: 30323
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hellyar 43 occ Hooper Man
Mary Jane Hellyar 37
George Thomas Hellyar 14.....Adopted b South Shields
Beatrice Young Rickley 2 (Surname looks more like Kirkley) ....Adopted b South Shields

Children born to marriage ...None

EDIT

Adopted childs birth

Births Sep 1908
Kirkley Beatrice Young S. Shields 10a 918

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Jul 2013 16:04

South Tyneside council site gives the actual marriage date:

1897
William R HELLYAR
Spouse: Mary J SMALLER
Register: C H1
Entry: 420
Date: 09/10/1897

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Jul 2013 16:08

William's baptism from Cornwall opc http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/home/

Day Month 08-May
Year 1867
Parish Or Reg District Padstow
Forename William Rawling
Surname HELLYAR
Sex
Father Forename Philip
Mother Forename Matilda
Residence Treator
Father Rank Profession Laborer
Notes Born 10 Feb 1867
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Kay Woodhouse

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Jul 2013 16:10

His parent's marriage:

Day Month 18-Oct
Year 1865
Parish Or Reg District Merryn, St.

Groom Fn Philip Rawling
Groom Sn HELLYAR
Groom Age full age
Groom Residence St Merryn
Groom Condition Batchelor
Groom Rank Profession Servant
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) s
Groom Father Name John
Groom Father Rank Profession Servant

Bride Fn Matilda
Bride Sn BUDGE
Bride Age Minor
Bride Residence St Merryn
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession Servant
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) m
Bride Father Name Thomas
Bride Father Rank Profession Labourer

Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Hellen
Witness Sn1 TIPPETT
Witness Fn2 Thomas
Witness Sn2 HELLYAR

Other Information
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Philip Green

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 12 Jul 2013 16:14

Cannot find a birth for Mary Jane in Scarbro' 1873 +/- 1 year under the name Smaller so wonder if William could be a second marriage,

The birth cert for George Thomas Hellyar may be required to clarify her maiden name

Roy



Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 12 Jul 2013 16:17

Just looked at the 1911 census again, Porkie and it states that George Thomas was also adopted! I will add this to the 1911 census above.

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 12 Jul 2013 16:26

1901 census for ref......note George T Cole is the adopted son George Thomas Hellyar in 1911 census

Name: William Hellyar
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary J Hellyar
Gender: Male
Where born: Padstow, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: South Shields
Ecclesiastical parish: South Shields St Jude
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 67
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 417
Piece: 4736
Folio: 64
Page Number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hellyar 34
Mary J Hellyar 28
George T Cole 14 Adopted son


Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 12 Jul 2013 16:34

In the event that no children was born to the marriage then if no one can find a birth for Mary Jane the marriage cert is the other option to see if smaller is her maiden name or if it is a second marriage

Roy

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 13 Jul 2013 09:07

Douglas is a new poster so message to let him no he has replies

Roy

Douglas

Douglas Report 13 Jul 2013 14:33

Thanks for that roy

Douglas

Douglas Report 13 Jul 2013 14:38

If George Thomas Cole is George Thomas Hellyar in the 1911 census, then how come his mother was registered on his birth certificate as Florence Mary Cowell which I am in receipt of.

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jul 2013 15:35

Is his father's name on the birth cert? If so, what is it?

I did notice that the George Thomas is aged 14 in both 1901 and 1911 census, so there could be two Georges.

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jul 2013 15:43

Looking more closely at the 1901 image, George is aged 4 not 14.

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 13 Jul 2013 16:35

Births Jun 1897
Cowell George Thomas S. Shields 10a 756


Births Dec 1874
COWELL Florence Mary Truro 5c 156

No trace of a marriage or death for Florence even using Phonetic search for her surname, Did She emigrate?

Roy