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Jean

Jean Report 13 Jul 2013 09:59

I am looking for my grandmother Mary Chambers married to William Chambers in1898 in Leeds Yorkshire Maiden name Kidd .

Flip

Flip Report 13 Jul 2013 10:10

Welcome to the boards Jean.

Do you have any other information on them - there is this family, (states married 13 years) possibility??

Mary Chambers
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Clifford
Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Musgreaves Fold
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration District: Leeds
Registration District Number: 500
Sub-registration District: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 26935
Household Members:
Name Age
William Chambers 44 (farm lab, born Ripon)
Mary Chambers 28
Mary Chambers 7
Thomas Chambers 6
Frances Chambers 4
Catherine Chambers 4/12

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jul 2013 10:16

Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)

Chambers William Leeds 9b 1035
KIDD Mary Leeds 9b 1035

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Jul 2013 10:18

This is the marriage:-


Name: KIDD, Mary
Registration district: Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1898
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 1035

MarriageFinder: Mary Kidd married one of the following people:

CHAMBERS, William<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
WATT, John
TOOTHILL, Alice Maude

Do you have the certificate? If so what is Mary's father's name?

Kath. x

Flip

Flip Report 13 Jul 2013 10:27

IF the 1911 census is the correct family, this would place William in Mary's birth place:

William Chambers
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Chambers
Mother's Name: Margaret Chambers
Gender: Male
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Clifford with Boston
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifford St Luke
Town: Clifford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Registration District: Wetherby
Sub-registration District: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3523
Folio: 73
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
James Chambers 66
Margaret Chambers 60
James Chambers 28
William Chambers 25 (farm lab, bornRipon)
Francis Chambers 14

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jul 2013 10:28

For a clearer picture of the above 1911.......


Household transcription
1911 census
Person: CHAMBERS, Mary
Address: 24 Musgrave Fold

CHAMBERS, William Head Married13 years M 44 1867 Farm Labour Ripon VIEW
CHAMBERS, Mary Wife Married F 28 1883 House Keeper Clifford VIEW
CHAMBERS, Mary Daughter F 7 1904 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
CHAMBERS, Thomas Son M 6 1905 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
CHAMBERS, Frances Daughter F 4 1907 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
CHAMBERS, Catherine Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Yorks Leeds VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 26935
Reference: RG14PN26935 RG78PN1546 RD500 SD1 ED20 SN243
Registration District: Leeds
Sub District: South East Leeds
Enumeration District: 20
Parish: Leeds
Address: 24 Musgrave Fold
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
(4 children born and living)


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 10:38

That 1911 couple had been married 13 years, which would be right.

But surely her date of birth can't be correct - she would have married at 15.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Jul 2013 10:45

The image clearly states her age as 28 and married 13 years. With parental consent a girl could marry at 12 years of age - although this didn't happen often.

The marriage certificate is needed to see what age she gives on that and also for her father's name to help finding her before marriage.

Kath. x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jul 2013 10:47

Is it just me that can't find them in 1901?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Jul 2013 10:52

I can't see them in 1901 either.

Kath. x

Flip

Flip Report 13 Jul 2013 10:53

No, I can't find them either. :-S

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Jul 2013 10:56

In 1901 they are NOT living at the address they were in the 1911 census.

Kath. x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:09

We don't even know Mary's birthplace.
1911 says Clifford, which is near Wetherby, but there were no Mary Kidds registered there 1870 - 87.

The marriage cert is essential for further clues, Jean, as others have said.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jul 2013 11:10

I have PM'd Jean so hopefully she will soon find her way back.

Jean........which of your parent's is the child of William and Mary and when and where was he/she born?

Prickles. x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:33

This looks like Mary with a son William in 1901.
Married, but no husband listed.

BUT, 1911 says 4 children all living, and none of them is William.


1901 England Census about Mary Chambers
Name: Mary Chambers
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Clifford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bramham with Oglethorpe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Bramham
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Wetherby
Sub-registration District: Wetherby
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 36
Piece: 4057
Folio: 71
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Chambers 19
William Chambers 1
Patrick Moran 24
Thomas Moran 21

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:35

William Jr ???

Births Dec 1899 (>99%)
Chambers William Francis Wetherby 9a 122

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:37

Ah, but Patrick and Thomas Moran are listed as her brothers.

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jul 2013 11:42

And there is this marriage (also in 1898) - from Yorkshire bmd ( the William Chambers/Mary Kidd marriage is also there):

CHAMBERS William MORAN Mary Wetherby District Registered Building Leeds

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:43

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Chambers William Wetherby 9a 158
Moran Mary Wetherby 9a 158

Maybe a silly question, Jean, but are you sure your grandmother's ms was Kidd?

Or are we chasing the wrong couple?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:50

Mary Moran's parents were Thomas and Catherine (Catharine).


The 1891 Census
is provided in
association with:



1891 England Census about Patrick Moran
Name: Patrick Moran
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Moran
Mother's Name: Catharine Moran
Gender: Male
Where born: Clifford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bramham with Oglethorpe
Ecclesiastical parish: Bramham All Saints
Town: Bramham
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Wetherby
Sub-registration District: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3523
Folio: 30
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Moran 46
Catharine Moran 40
Patrick Moran 13
Mary Moran 9
Kate Moran 7
William Moran 4
John 1