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Potty

Potty Report 16 Jul 2013 11:18

Jean, do you have a birth cert for either your father or one of his siblings that gives MMN of Kidd? How do you know William's father's name was James?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Jul 2013 20:16

Thanks for the extra information, Jean.

We don't know the father of the William Chambers born 1899/1900, posted by Potty on this page . (Perhaps you're confusing Mary's husband and her son?)

To recap:
the 1911 census posted by Flip on page one of this thread is the correct one.
It says Mary was born c1883 in Clifford.

Therefore it looks as if the 1901 census, with Mary, her son William, and her brothers Patrick and Thomas, is also correct. It says she was born c1882 in Clifford.

Therefore she was Mary Moran, and not Mary Kidd.
There were several Mary Moran births registered in the Leeds/Wetherby area at the right time, but no Mary Kidds between 1880 and 1885.
Both marriages, both to men named William Chambers, were in the Clifford area (Leeds or Wetherby) in 1898.

You do need to buy the marriage cert - maybe both - to see which is the correct William Chambers. I hope they both didn't have fathers named James!

This is presumably your William in 1891:

1891 England Census about William Chambers
Name: William Chambers
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Chambers
Mother's Name: Margaret Chambers
Gender: Male
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Clifford with Boston
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifford St Luke
Town: Clifford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Wetherby
Sub-registration District: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3523
Folio: 73
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
James Chambers 66
Margaret Chambers 60
James Chambers 28
William Chambers 25
Francis Chambers 14

Jean

Jean Report 15 Jul 2013 13:50

No I am sure that is not the William chambers I am looking for . His Father was James

Jean

Jean Report 15 Jul 2013 13:46

My Fathers name was Thomas Chambers the family was split when he was 7Years old After his death I found his sisters . Mary, Frances and Catherine . I have also found them on the 1911 censors. none of them new wear there father or mother wear and have since died.
On the marriage register I have found a marriage in Leeds with a Mary Kidd & William Chambers witch fits the same year they were married on the 1911 censor
thank you For your Help.

Jean

Jean Report 15 Jul 2013 13:45

My Fathers name was Thomas Chambers the family was split when he was 7Years old After his death I found his sisters . Mary, Frances and Catherine . I have also found them on the 1911 censors. none of them new wear there father or mother wear and have since died.
On the marriage register I have found a marriage in Leeds with a Mary Kidd & William Chambers witch fits the same year they were married on the 1911 censor
thank you For your Help.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 12:23

If it's him, perhaps he wasn't William Sr's son, and he wasn't willing to bring up the child??
It would account for the number of living children listed in 1911.

Of course, not necessarily any relation of Jean's!

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jul 2013 12:05

This is possibly the William from the 1901, in St Vincents Home for Destitute Boys:

1911 England Census
about William Chambers




Name:
William Chambers

Age in 1911:
11

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1900

Relation to Head:
Inmate

Gender:
Male

Birth Place:
Wetherby, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish:Leeds
County/Island:Yorkshire-West Riding
Country:England
Occupation:School
Registration District:
Leeds

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:50

Mary Moran's parents were Thomas and Catherine (Catharine).


The 1891 Census
is provided in
association with:



1891 England Census about Patrick Moran
Name: Patrick Moran
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Moran
Mother's Name: Catharine Moran
Gender: Male
Where born: Clifford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bramham with Oglethorpe
Ecclesiastical parish: Bramham All Saints
Town: Bramham
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Wetherby
Sub-registration District: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3523
Folio: 30
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Moran 46
Catharine Moran 40
Patrick Moran 13
Mary Moran 9
Kate Moran 7
William Moran 4
John 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:43

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Chambers William Wetherby 9a 158
Moran Mary Wetherby 9a 158

Maybe a silly question, Jean, but are you sure your grandmother's ms was Kidd?

Or are we chasing the wrong couple?

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jul 2013 11:42

And there is this marriage (also in 1898) - from Yorkshire bmd ( the William Chambers/Mary Kidd marriage is also there):

CHAMBERS William MORAN Mary Wetherby District Registered Building Leeds

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:37

Ah, but Patrick and Thomas Moran are listed as her brothers.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:35

William Jr ???

Births Dec 1899 (>99%)
Chambers William Francis Wetherby 9a 122

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:33

This looks like Mary with a son William in 1901.
Married, but no husband listed.

BUT, 1911 says 4 children all living, and none of them is William.


1901 England Census about Mary Chambers
Name: Mary Chambers
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Clifford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bramham with Oglethorpe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Bramham
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Wetherby
Sub-registration District: Wetherby
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 36
Piece: 4057
Folio: 71
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Chambers 19
William Chambers 1
Patrick Moran 24
Thomas Moran 21

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jul 2013 11:10

I have PM'd Jean so hopefully she will soon find her way back.

Jean........which of your parent's is the child of William and Mary and when and where was he/she born?

Prickles. x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2013 11:09

We don't even know Mary's birthplace.
1911 says Clifford, which is near Wetherby, but there were no Mary Kidds registered there 1870 - 87.

The marriage cert is essential for further clues, Jean, as others have said.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Jul 2013 10:56

In 1901 they are NOT living at the address they were in the 1911 census.

Kath. x

Flip

Flip Report 13 Jul 2013 10:53

No, I can't find them either. :-S

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Jul 2013 10:52

I can't see them in 1901 either.

Kath. x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jul 2013 10:47

Is it just me that can't find them in 1901?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Jul 2013 10:45

The image clearly states her age as 28 and married 13 years. With parental consent a girl could marry at 12 years of age - although this didn't happen often.

The marriage certificate is needed to see what age she gives on that and also for her father's name to help finding her before marriage.

Kath. x