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James Saw/Ware

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Elizabeth Report 14 Jul 2013 09:17

I'm trying to find the origins of my ancestor James Saw, also known as James Ware/Wear/Weir, born circa 1830. Working backwards, as James Saw he died 1902 age 72 in Farnborough, Kent. In 1901, Chelsfield, Kent, James Ware was 78, from Brasted.On the death certificate of his wife Ann in 1898 he was James Saw. In 1891 Chelsfield James Saw was 60 from N/K, Wilts. In 1881 Cudham, Kent, James Weir was 60 from N/K, Wilts. On the birth certificate of his son John in 1872 he was James Saw. In 1871 Brasted, Kent, James Ware was 49 from N/K, Wilts. In 1868 James Saw, 35, married Ann Brook well in Sevenoaks. In 1861 James Wear was 34 from Oxford, his wife Amelia from Little Bedwin, Wilts. In 1855 James Saw married Amelia White in Brasted. In 1851 he might be the James Ware age 21 from place unknown, in Cookham, Berks. Then I am stuck!


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 09:22

Do you have this marriage cert?

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
HAYLWOOD Ann Sevenoaks 2a 623
SAW James Sevenoaks 2a 623
WHITE Amelia Sevenoaks 2a 623
WHITE Henry Sevenoaks 2a 623


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 09:24

What are the full details on the son's 1872 birth cert?


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 09:30

1871 for INFO

Person: WARE, James Address: James Ward, Brasted

WARE, James Head M 49 1822 Wiltshire VIEW
WARE, Ann Wife F 26 1845 Kent VIEW
WARE, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1859 Kent VIEW
WARE, Phoebe Daughter F 6 1865 Kent VIEW
WARE, Mine Daughter F 2 1869 Kent VIEW
WARE, Eliza Daughter F 0 1871 Kent VIEW

Occ: Ag Lab

What happened to AMELIA?


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 09:36

1861 census

Person: WEAR, James Address: Cottage, Stanhope Avenue, Brasted

WEAR, James Head Married M 34 1827 Shepherd
Oxford VIEW
WEAR, Amelia Wife Married F 32 1829
Little Bedwin, Wiltshire VIEW
WEAR, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1857
..., Kent


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 09:39

1901 census

Person: WARE, James Address: 6, Pratt's Bottom Ethel Terrace, Chelsfield

STACEY, Harry Head Married M 34 1867 Labourer On Road
Shoreham, Kent VIEW
STACEY, Agnes H Wife Married F 26 1875
Cudham, Kent VIEW
STACEY, Percy H Son M 3 1898
Chelsfield, Kent VIEW
STACEY, Mary Ann Daughter F 2 1899
Chelsfield, Kent VIEW
STACEY, Lily Daughter F 1 1900
Farnborough, Kent VIEW
WARE, James Father-In-Law Widower M 78 1823
Brasted, Kent VIEW
WARE, Charles Relative Single M 16 1885 Labourer On Road
Cudham, Kent


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 09:41

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)

Saw Agnes Harriet Bromley 2a 845
Stacey Henry Bromley 2a 845

Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
WARE Agnes Harriet Bromley 2a 379

1881 census

Person: WEIR, Agnes Address: Mace Cottages, Cudham

WEIR, James Head Married M 60 1821 Agricultural Labourer
N K, Wiltshire VIEW
WEIR, Ann Wife Married F 35 1846
Knockholt, Kent VIEW
WEIR, Minnie Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Knockholt, Kent VIEW
WEIR, John Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Brasted, Kent VIEW
WEIR, Lilly Daughter Single F 1 1880
Cudham, Kent VIEW
WEIR, Agnes Daughter Single F 5 1876
Cudham, Kent


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 09:48

I know you gave the info in your post, Elizabeth, but it's sometimes easier to grasp if it's laid out as per the census records...............


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 09:55

At least Amelia's info was accurate

1851 census

Person: WHITE, Amelia Address: Spirthill, Bremhill

JEFFERYS, Stephen S Head Married M 48 1803 Farmer 264acres Employing 6men, 2 Boys
Hilmarton, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Mary Wife Married F 44 1807 -
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Thomas Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Farmers Son
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 -
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Stephen Son - M 14 1837 Scholar
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Edward Son - M 13 1838 Scholar
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Samuel Son - M 11 1840 Scholar
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, William Son - M 9 1842 Scholar
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Robert Son - M 6 1845 -
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Alfred Son - M 5 1846 -
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
JEFFERYS, Frederic Son - M -
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW
WHITE, Amelia Servant Unmarried F 22 1829 Servant
Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire VIEW
TURNER, Walthyn Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 Servant
Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire VIEW
SUMMERS, Ann Servant Unmarried F 14 1837 Servant
Bremhill, Wiltshire VIEW


PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2013 10:07

Hi Elizabeth and welcome to the boards.

I think you really need to purchase a copy of the marriage cert to Amelia to be able to get back further.

Hopefully, it will give you details regarding his Father.


ArgyllGran Report 14 Jul 2013 11:46

Death of Amelia:

Deaths Sep 1867 (>99%)
Sawl Amelia 39 Sevenoaks 2a 273


ArgyllGran Report 14 Jul 2013 11:47

James's marriage to second wife Ann: (Sorry, already detailed by Elizabeth)

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)
Brookwell Ann Sevenoaks 2a 815
Saw James Sevenoaks 2a 815


AnnCardiff Report 14 Jul 2013 12:08

Hello Elizabeth - welcome to the boards :-)

Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1857
Father's Name: James Weare
Mother's Name: Amelia
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C15328-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1279362
Reference ID: - 2:HD2S87


AnnCardiff Report 14 Jul 2013 12:10

advised Elizabeth there is info on her posting now


ArgyllGran Report 14 Jul 2013 12:31

Out of interest, more on Amelia, though I know it doesn't help with the search for James:

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Amelia White
Name: Amelia White
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Apr 1826
Christening Place: Little Bedwin, Wiltshire, England
Father's Name: Charles White
Mother's Name: Phoebe

1841 England Census about Amelia White
Name: Amelia White
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Little Bedwin
Hundred: Kinwardstone
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:


View Image

Registration District: Hungerford
Sub-registration District: Hungerford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1180
Book: 2
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles White 56
Phoebe White 40
Stephen White 14
Amelia White 12
John White 10
Elizabeth White 7
Sarah White 1


Reggie Report 14 Jul 2013 22:47

Name: James Law
Birth Date:
Spouse's Name: Amelia White
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 23 Dec 1855
Event Place: Brasted, Kent, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles White
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04614-4
System Origin: England-EASy

James does not name his father......................................


Elizabeth Report 16 Jul 2013 22:15

Thank you everyone for the time and effort you have all gone to on my behalf. Sorry I haven't replied sooner - my internet connection went down. It does look as though my next step is the obtain the marriage certificate for James' first marriage (to Amelia). I think I will only find James' birth/baptism if I can find a reason for his use of 2 surnames - perhaps one was the surname of a step-father. It is like looking for a needle in a haystack though as I don't know which part of the country to look in.
Thanks again.


Elizabeth Report 20 Jul 2013 21:19

The marriage certificate for James Saw to Amelia White, in 1855, gives both of them as "of full age" and the space for James Saw's father is blank.