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Harry Boulton, Staffordshire, C1888

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Sarah

Sarah Report 17 Jul 2013 18:09

Hello,
I'm looking for some help to get information about my Boulton side of the family.
Harry married Doris Brough Turfrey and had two children I know of, there could be more!
Arthur, born in Stone, Staffordshire in 1924
Violet, born in Stone, Staffordshire in 1923
I have the marriage certificate of Arthur but my family know nothing of the generation before. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jul 2013 18:13

1911 just for info

Name: Doris Brough Turfrey
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Normacot, Longton, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Longton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 56 Ronald Street, Florence, Longton, Stoke-On-Trent, Staffordshire
Occupation: school
Registration District: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration District: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household Schedule Number: 250
Piece: 16601
Household Members: Name Age
William Turfrey 59
Annie Turfrey 56
Emmanuel Turfrey 30
Mary Ellen Turfrey 40
Albert Vincent Turfrey 16
Doris Brough Turfrey 12



Do you have the marriage cert ?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jul 2013 18:19

Harry Boulton appears to be a common name in Staffordshire so think you need the marriage cert to confirm his age and the details of his father

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jul 2013 18:21

BUT he married as Henry ?

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
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Boulton Henry Turfrey Stone 6b 107
Daniel Winifred L Howard Stone 6b 107
Howard John Daniel Stone 6b 107
Turfrey Doris B Boulton Stone 6b 107

Sarah

Sarah Report 17 Jul 2013 18:22

Thanks for the info! Yes, I do have Harry's marriage cert. it's dated 24th July 1920 in the parish of Swynnerton, County of Stafford. Harry's Father was also named Harry.

Pam

Pam Report 17 Jul 2013 18:25




Person: TURFREY, Doris B

Address: 96, Upper Normacot Road, Lonton, Longton

TURFREY, William Head Married M 49 1852 Gardener (Domestic)
Church Harboro, Oxfordshire
TURFREY, Hannah Wife Married F 45 1856
Minster Lodel, Oxfordshire
TURFREY, Florence A Daughter Single F 24 1877 Potter's Gilder
West Bromwich, Staffordshire
TURFREY, Elsie E Daughter Single F 23 1878 Potter's Gilder
Yardley, Warwickshire
TURFREY, Joseph Son Single M 15 1886 Railway Porter
Longton, Staffordshire
TURFREY, Lily Daughter F 13 1888
Longton, Staffordshire
TURFREY, John Son M 10 1891
Longton, Staffordshire
TURFREY, Albert V Son M 6 1895
Longton, Staffordshire
TURFREY, Olive M Daughter F 1 1900
Longton, Staffordshire
TURFREY, Doris B Grand Daughter F 2 1899
Longton, Staffordshire

Piece: 2617

Folio: 99

Page: 4

Registration District: Stoke upon Trent

Civil Parish: Lonton

Municipal Borough:

Address: 96, Upper Normacot Road, Lonton, Longton

County: Staffordshire

Sarah

Sarah Report 17 Jul 2013 18:32

After checking the very neat writing on the marriage certificate it appears he was called Henry.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jul 2013 18:35

Can you confirm the occupation of both Harry/Henry and his father from the marriage cert

Sarah

Sarah Report 17 Jul 2013 18:36

Both are recorded as farm labourers.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jul 2013 21:27

Sarah, you suggested that there may be more children than Violet and Arthur - it looks like there are.

Go to FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and search for births with surname Boulton and mother's maiden name Turfrey from 1920. There are 4 possible births in total.

Sarah

Sarah Report 17 Jul 2013 21:51

Thanks very much! Your help is much appreciated.

mgnv

mgnv Report 18 Jul 2013 18:21

One can purchase BMD certs from the GRO or the local rego office that holds the original registration (or 1st copy in the case of church marrs).
Some local offices have an online index, and this necessarily has difft info from the GRO index - see http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
Here, I'm looking at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
TURFREY Doris Brough Longton Stoke-On-Trent TURFREY LGN/098/078

Clearly, an illegitimate birth, but is her mum Florrie or Elsie? - you'll need her b.cert to tell this, I think.

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TURFREY Elsie E AMISON Joseph G Normacot, Holy Evangelist Stoke-On-Trent 23/3/244.

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TURFREY Florence HOLMES Frederick Dresden, Resurrection Stoke-On-Trent 7/03/203.
TURFREY James W DENNIS Elizabeth A Edensor, St Paul Stoke-On-Trent 8/06/141

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TURFREY Emmanuel PROCTER Mary Ellen Civil Marriage (Stoke) Stoke-On-Trent SRO/52/099
TURFREY Lilian MARTIN John William Dresden, Resurrection Stoke-On-Trent 7/04/052

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Re sorting out which Henry/Harry is yours.
Who were the witnesses on his m.cert? - they're usually sibs of the couple, or the sibs' spouses.
What is Harry's age and address on the m.cert?

Sarah

Sarah Report 18 Jul 2013 19:14

Hello, and many thanks for your research.
I already have the birth certificate for Doris Brough Turfrey, it names her mother as Florence Annie Turfrey. Her father is named as what looks like Gerry, he is recorded as as gardener, deceased.

The witnesses on Henry Boulton's marriage certificate are A. V. Turfrey, brother of Annie and C. M. Boulton - no idea who this is!

Sarah

Sarah Report 18 Jul 2013 19:18

Forgot to add Harry is 32 at the time of his marriage. I can't see an address. It just says Swynnerton as place living at time of marriage.

Sarah

Sarah Report 18 Jul 2013 19:43

Sorry, I keep saying Harry because that's what my family have heard him called - I mean Henry, don't mean to confuse!

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 18 Jul 2013 22:06

Just throwing this one in...although the age is a little out:


1891 census transcription details for: Old Springs, Tyrley

RG number: RG12
Piece: 2128
Folio: 131
Page: 3
Reg. District: Market Drayton
Sub District: Market Drayton
Parish: Tyrley
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Old Springs, Tyrley
County: Shropshire

BOULTON, Henry Head Married M 32 1859 Cowman
Cheadle, Staffordshire
BOULTON, Mary E Wife Married F 34 1857
Horton, Shropshire, Wem
BOULTON, Thomas H Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Horton, Shropshire, Wem
BOULTON, Mary E Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Horton, Shropshire, Wem
>>>BOULTON, Harry Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Wem, Shropshire, Lowe Hill
BOULTON, James Son M 4 1887
Fox Heath, Shropshire, Collar Head
BOULTON, William Son M 0 (10M) 1891
Blackbrook, Staffordshire
THORNHILL, Margaret Mother In Law F 68 1823
Oswestry, Shropshire
..................
1901 census transcription details for: Marl Pit Cottage, Stone Rural, Warleston

RG number: RG13
Piece: 2575
Folio: 16
Page: 3
Reg. District: Stone
Sub District: Stone
Parish: Stone Rural
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church Stone
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Marl Pit Cottage, Stone Rural, Warleston
County: Staffordshire
HOULTON,(BOULTON on image) Henry Head Married M 40 1861 Stockman On Farm
Cheadle, Staffordshire
HOULTON, Mary Wife Married F 44 1857
Wem, Salop
HOULTON, William Son Single M 10 1891
Blackbrook, Staffordshire
HOULTON, Frederick Son Single M 8 1893
Old Springs, Staffordshire
?????HOULTON, Clara Daughter Single F 2 1899
Darlaston, Staffordshire She is Clara Margaret BOULTON...wondering if she's the C M Boulton who is the witness on the marriage cert.


I don't suppose you know exactly when Henry/Harry died?

Maureen

Sarah

Sarah Report 18 Jul 2013 23:10

Hi Maureen, thanks for the info. Very hard to tell if it's Henry..... I hope it could be, but as you say the dates are questionable. I've no idea when Henry died but it was before 1974, because the death certificate I have for Doris states she is his widow.

Sarah

mgnv

mgnv Report 19 Jul 2013 00:12

Pure speculation, but maybe this is C M Boulton:

1911 England Census Transcription
Address:60 WILLIAMSON STREET TUNSTALL
Parish:TUNSTALL
County:Staffordshire
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:
Registration District:WOLSTANTON
Registration Sub-District: Tunstall
Census Reference:RG14PN16477 RG78PN1020 RD360 SD2 ED21 SN148

ARTHUR BOULTON 28 Tunstall,Staffs HEAD M Carting Contractor
KATHERINE M BOULTON 28 Salford,Lancs WIFE M
ELIZA FRANCES BOULTON 3 Tunstall,Staffs DAUGHTER
BERNARD ARTHUR BOULTON 2 Tunstall,Staffs SON
ALICE DEASINGTON 18 Tunstall,Staffs SERVANT S General Servant
[Marr 3 y; 2 live births; 2 still living; Image reads Catherine]

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOULTON Arthur GRANVILLE Catherine Mary Civil Marriage (Stoke) Stoke-On-Trent SRO/48/076.

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 08:35

His death is registered as Harry:

Harry Boulton
Probate Date: 5 Jan 1956
Death Date: 27 Aug 1955
Death Place: Burton Upon Trent
Registry: Nottinghamshire, England

Of 70 Horninglow Road Burton on Trent. Probate to widow Doris Brough Boulton, £768 13s 3d.

Harry Boulton
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Sep 1955
Age at Death: 69
Registration District: Burton upon Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 57

ADDED: This means he was slightly older than originally thought (few years between them so could have lied when they married) but it makes Maureen's 1891 census more likely.

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 12:10

Assuming the 1891 census is the correct family, and it does look likely - this would be them in 1881 (note the child John Thornhill Boulton, he appears with Henry in 1911)

Henry Boulton
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son in Law
Spouse's Name: Mary Boulton
Gender: Male
Where born: Horton Wem
Civil Parish: Wem
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address: Horton
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Labourer
Registration District: Wem
Sub-registration District: Wem
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2667
Folio: 76
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thornhill 69
Margrett Thornhill 58
Henry Boulton 22
Mary Boulton 23
John Thornhill Boulton 4
Thos.Hry. Boulton

Don't know what has happened to Mary Elizabeth Boulton(Thornhill) by 1911, but Henry has a new wife and children:

Henry Boulton
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cheadle, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Stone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Pyrehill Grange Nr Stone, Staffordshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration District: Stone
Registration District Number: 358
Sub-registration District: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 114
Piece: 16370
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Boulton 50
Francis Boulton 30 (born Stone, Staffs)
Clara Boulton 12
Edmond Boulton 12
Harold Boulton 8
Ernest Boulton 7
Dorothy Boulton 4
Leonard Boulton 3
Gladys Boulton 1
unnamed Boulton 1/12
J Thornhill Boulton 34

They claim to have been married 10 years, 9 children but 1 has died.