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Harry Boulton, Staffordshire, C1888

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Sarah

Sarah Report 25 Jul 2013 08:47

It looks very likely that Doris was illegitimate, is it possible that the name "Brough" was a hint to Doris' Father's name? - although the birth certificate was left blank?

Sarah

Sarah Report 23 Jul 2013 17:44

Hello again,
Going back to Doris Brough Turfrey I'm wondering where the "Brough" came from?
Her immediate family on the census are all Turfrey. Doris' birth certificate is left blank for Father's name, however her marriage certificate names Gerry? (Unclear) Turfrey as her Father but says he is deceased.... Could it be made-up to save embarrassment ?

Sarah

Sarah Report 22 Jul 2013 22:11

Still can't find a marriage for Thomas and Margaret.....maybe they never married??

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 19:03

Yes, they don't make it easy at times do they! Any you're welcome, we all like to chip in with some help where possible.

Not sure about the middle name though, I can't see Thomas earlier than the 1861 census (apart from the possible christening) so don't know if that is why we can't find his marriage.

Sarah

Sarah Report 19 Jul 2013 18:46

Thanks for your research, I really appreciate your time given to help me.
I wonder if Margaret was a middle name, I've found lots of other relatives on my tree who used middle names instead of first names.....if only they'd known what confusion it would cause in the future!

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 13:50

Haven't managed to find a marriage for Thomas Thornhill to Margaret/Margrett though, nor him on any census prior to 1861 - so can't find her maiden name I'm afraid.

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 13:38

It actually looks like Henry/Harry did indeed start out life as Harry! (not sure if this has already been posted, so sorry if it is a duplication.)

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
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BOULTON Harry Wem 6a 749

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 12:59

Mary Elisabeth Thornhill
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Apr 1858
Christening Place: WEM,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Thornhill
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Margaret
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00899-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 503824

Sarah

Sarah Report 19 Jul 2013 12:54

Wow! Thank you so much for your time everyone! Interesting that he had two wives.....

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 12:48

Mary Thornhillin 1861

Thomas Thornhill
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Thornhill
Gender: Male
Where born: Wem, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Horton
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Wem
Sub-registration District: Wem
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 4
Piece: 1886
Folio: 76
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thornhill 58
Margaret Thornhill 39
Sarah Thornhill 6
Mary Thornhill 3
Thomas Thornhill 7 Months

Possibly her father?

20 Aug 1809 Thomas, a base child of Sarah Thornhill, reputed father, Wm. Astley bap.
Book: Christenings. (Baptism)
Collection: Shropshire: Wem, Edstaston, Newtown - Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 12:34

Doesn't look like we are going to find Henry snr with his parents, unless his mother is Rachel Boulton

Henry Boulton
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheadle, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Dilhorne
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration District: Cheadle
Sub-registration District: Dilhorne
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household Schedule Number: 45
Piece: 2888
Folio: 21
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Boulton 68
Jane Boulton 69
Rachel Boulton 30 (daughter, unmarried)
James Boulton 26
George Boulton 21
Henry Boulton 11

Henry age 1 is in the same household in 1861.

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 12:24

Henry/Harry working on farm in 1901

Henry Boulton
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Wem, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Stone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Registration District: Stone
Sub-registration District: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 12
Piece: 2575
Folio: 15
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Heler 33
Sarah Brayford 55
Fanny Bennion 28
Henry Boulton 15
George Bennion 19
George Boulton 17

And although birthplace is wrong, I think this is him in 1911

Henry Boulton
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stone, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Stone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Cotwalton Nr Stone, Staffs
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Cowman
Registration District: Stone
Registration District Number: 358
Sub-registration District: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household Schedule Number: 11
Piece: 16374
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel White 38
Mary E White 36
Charles W White 13
Lily White 12
Alice White 10
Samuel White 9
John White 7
Harold White 6
Evelyn White 5
Reginald White 3
Mildred A White 2
Violet E White 1
Jessie Chadwick 18
Maggie Till 14
James Capewell 38
Henry Boulton 26
Thomas Bowers 34

safc

safc Report 19 Jul 2013 12:23

Name: Henry Boulton
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Frances Devereux
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 1902
Event Place: Parish Church Or Church Of The Resurrection, Dresden, Stafford, England
Father's Name: Henry Boulton
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Devereux
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16628-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1470944
Reference ID: 2:G24HMC

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 12:17

Possibly this marriage:

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
Boulton Henry Stoke upon Trent 6b 211
Devereux Frances Stoke T. 6b 211 Scan available - click to view
Jones Gertrude Stoke T. 6b 211 Scan available - click to view
Jones Joseph Stoke T. 6b 211 Scan available - click to view

Mary's death I think

Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
Boulton Mary Elizabeth 44 Stone 6b 18 Scan available - click to view

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 12:10

Assuming the 1891 census is the correct family, and it does look likely - this would be them in 1881 (note the child John Thornhill Boulton, he appears with Henry in 1911)

Henry Boulton
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son in Law
Spouse's Name: Mary Boulton
Gender: Male
Where born: Horton Wem
Civil Parish: Wem
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address: Horton
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Labourer
Registration District: Wem
Sub-registration District: Wem
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2667
Folio: 76
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thornhill 69
Margrett Thornhill 58
Henry Boulton 22
Mary Boulton 23
John Thornhill Boulton 4
Thos.Hry. Boulton

Don't know what has happened to Mary Elizabeth Boulton(Thornhill) by 1911, but Henry has a new wife and children:

Henry Boulton
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cheadle, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Stone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Pyrehill Grange Nr Stone, Staffordshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration District: Stone
Registration District Number: 358
Sub-registration District: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 114
Piece: 16370
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Boulton 50
Francis Boulton 30 (born Stone, Staffs)
Clara Boulton 12
Edmond Boulton 12
Harold Boulton 8
Ernest Boulton 7
Dorothy Boulton 4
Leonard Boulton 3
Gladys Boulton 1
unnamed Boulton 1/12
J Thornhill Boulton 34

They claim to have been married 10 years, 9 children but 1 has died.

Flip

Flip Report 19 Jul 2013 08:35

His death is registered as Harry:

Harry Boulton
Probate Date: 5 Jan 1956
Death Date: 27 Aug 1955
Death Place: Burton Upon Trent
Registry: Nottinghamshire, England

Of 70 Horninglow Road Burton on Trent. Probate to widow Doris Brough Boulton, £768 13s 3d.

Harry Boulton
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Sep 1955
Age at Death: 69
Registration District: Burton upon Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 57

ADDED: This means he was slightly older than originally thought (few years between them so could have lied when they married) but it makes Maureen's 1891 census more likely.

mgnv

mgnv Report 19 Jul 2013 00:12

Pure speculation, but maybe this is C M Boulton:

1911 England Census Transcription
Address:60 WILLIAMSON STREET TUNSTALL
Parish:TUNSTALL
County:Staffordshire
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:
Registration District:WOLSTANTON
Registration Sub-District: Tunstall
Census Reference:RG14PN16477 RG78PN1020 RD360 SD2 ED21 SN148

ARTHUR BOULTON 28 Tunstall,Staffs HEAD M Carting Contractor
KATHERINE M BOULTON 28 Salford,Lancs WIFE M
ELIZA FRANCES BOULTON 3 Tunstall,Staffs DAUGHTER
BERNARD ARTHUR BOULTON 2 Tunstall,Staffs SON
ALICE DEASINGTON 18 Tunstall,Staffs SERVANT S General Servant
[Marr 3 y; 2 live births; 2 still living; Image reads Catherine]

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOULTON Arthur GRANVILLE Catherine Mary Civil Marriage (Stoke) Stoke-On-Trent SRO/48/076.

Sarah

Sarah Report 18 Jul 2013 23:10

Hi Maureen, thanks for the info. Very hard to tell if it's Henry..... I hope it could be, but as you say the dates are questionable. I've no idea when Henry died but it was before 1974, because the death certificate I have for Doris states she is his widow.

Sarah

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 18 Jul 2013 22:06

Just throwing this one in...although the age is a little out:


1891 census transcription details for: Old Springs, Tyrley

RG number: RG12
Piece: 2128
Folio: 131
Page: 3
Reg. District: Market Drayton
Sub District: Market Drayton
Parish: Tyrley
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Old Springs, Tyrley
County: Shropshire

BOULTON, Henry Head Married M 32 1859 Cowman
Cheadle, Staffordshire
BOULTON, Mary E Wife Married F 34 1857
Horton, Shropshire, Wem
BOULTON, Thomas H Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Horton, Shropshire, Wem
BOULTON, Mary E Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Horton, Shropshire, Wem
>>>BOULTON, Harry Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Wem, Shropshire, Lowe Hill
BOULTON, James Son M 4 1887
Fox Heath, Shropshire, Collar Head
BOULTON, William Son M 0 (10M) 1891
Blackbrook, Staffordshire
THORNHILL, Margaret Mother In Law F 68 1823
Oswestry, Shropshire
..................
1901 census transcription details for: Marl Pit Cottage, Stone Rural, Warleston

RG number: RG13
Piece: 2575
Folio: 16
Page: 3
Reg. District: Stone
Sub District: Stone
Parish: Stone Rural
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church Stone
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Marl Pit Cottage, Stone Rural, Warleston
County: Staffordshire
HOULTON,(BOULTON on image) Henry Head Married M 40 1861 Stockman On Farm
Cheadle, Staffordshire
HOULTON, Mary Wife Married F 44 1857
Wem, Salop
HOULTON, William Son Single M 10 1891
Blackbrook, Staffordshire
HOULTON, Frederick Son Single M 8 1893
Old Springs, Staffordshire
?????HOULTON, Clara Daughter Single F 2 1899
Darlaston, Staffordshire She is Clara Margaret BOULTON...wondering if she's the C M Boulton who is the witness on the marriage cert.


I don't suppose you know exactly when Henry/Harry died?

Maureen

Sarah

Sarah Report 18 Jul 2013 19:43

Sorry, I keep saying Harry because that's what my family have heard him called - I mean Henry, don't mean to confuse!