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William Evans/Elizabeth Taylor 1862

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Angela

Angela Report 17 Jul 2013 21:42

Hi I'm looking for information for William Evans, occupation: 'travelling showman', and Elizabeth Nugent Ocroft Evans. They where married on 11 June 1862, (getting help to understand handwriting on the area).

They had a son John William Evans, born in Glasgow on 18 January 1865. John was widowed young then went onto marry Mary Cochrane on 7 October 1987; they also had a son named John. If anyone has information I would greatly appreciate.

Thanks A

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Jul 2013 22:19

child:John William Evans

NameJohn William Evans
GenderMale
Christening Date
Christening Place
Birth Date18 Jan 1865
BirthplaceCLYDE,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's NameWilliam Evans
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's NameElisabeth Margaret Ocrofft Taylor
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) NumberC11926-1
System OriginScotland-ODM
GS Film number6035516

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jul 2013 22:21

What sort of info are you looking for - census ?

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Jul 2013 08:16

The son born in 1865 must have died.......otherwise, why would a second son of the father be given the same forename?

Please would you check the year of the marriage to Mary Cochran.

Also..............William's birth year and birthplace are needed

Angela

Angela Report 18 Jul 2013 08:54

Thank you for these responses and I will go through the documents that I have managed to gain. I have John William Evans birth certificate hence where I gained the information of his parents John and Elizabeth of whom I am trying to gain more information.

Completely new to this and hopefully I will be able to join a genealogy group that can support.

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Jul 2013 09:09

Could you answer the question about the second marriage.............please!

What 'support' do you think you can get which isn't available on GR?

Angela

Angela Report 18 Jul 2013 09:31

Hi

Mary C married John on 17/10/87 (the certificate has John as a widower) they where 21 & 18 yr respectively on the date. Mary resided at St Andrews Sq', Glasgow, John London St, Glasgow.

Appreciate all help given but being completely new I do find this over-whelming and I'm trying to get my head around 'batch numbers' GS' film numbers etc. I knew it would be difficult but trying to put the links together where so many are broken????



GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Jul 2013 10:21

Hi Angela,
Welcome to the boards.
The 1887 Evans/Cochrane marriage record will give a wealth of info.

1 ) what was John's occupation?
1) were either of his parents deceased when he married ?
(it will be written on the cert after their names, if they were deceased )

3) Where and when was John, son of John W and Mary born?

4) Where did the marrige date for John W's parents come from?
Was it from the actual the marriage cert, or was it written on John's birth record?

Edit:
Only one man called William Evans married in Scotland in 1862.
His wife was called Margaret Nicol, and they married on 16 Jan 1862
(Checked both SP and FS and both have just this one 1862 marriage)

It is likely that the couple you are looking for married elsewhere in the UK


Anne

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Jul 2013 11:12

Re the 1865 birth posted by Alviegal.
Is this the same mother?
Can anyone tell which man she married?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Margaret Elizabeth Taylor Ocroft
Name: Margaret Elizabeth Taylor Ocroft
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1860
Registration District: Carlisle
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 631
Records on Page:
Name

Joseph Heyes
Mary Miller
Margaret Elizabeth Taylor Ocroft ***
Hugh Quigley

Potty

Potty Report 18 Jul 2013 11:49

The family in 1871:

1871 England Census
about John Evans
Age:6
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1865
Relation:Son
Father's Name:William Evans
Mother's Name:Elizabeth Evans
Where born:Glasgow, Norfolk, England - image just says Glasgow
Civil Parish:Birmingham
Town:Birmingham
County/Island:Warwickshire

William Evans 32 b Hereford, fish Hawker
Elizabeth Evans 29 b Bolton Lancashire
Richard Evans 12 n Norwich
John Evans 6 b
Thos George Evans 3 Stafford, Greave - edited in later post - should be Crewe
Chas Evans 9 Months b Birmingham


GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Jul 2013 11:52

Thanks Potty.....
is this them back in Glasgow?

1881 Scotland Census about William Evans
Name: William Evans
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Evans
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration number: 644/7
Registration District: Blythswood
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Enoch
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 13 Argyle St
Occupation: Hawker - General
ED: 9
Household Schedule Number: 19
Line: 14
Roll: cssct1881_230
Household Members:
Name Age
William Evans 42
Margaret Evans 40
John W Evans 15
Thomas G Evans 13

Potty

Potty Report 18 Jul 2013 12:03

1881 gives William's wife as Margaret:

Registration District:Blythswood
Civil Parish:Glasgow St Enoch
County:Lanarkshire
Address:13 Argyle St

Occupation:Hawker - General
William Evans 42 b England
Margaret Evans 40 b England
John W Evans 15 b Glasgow, Apprentice, ?Callender??
Thomas G Evans 13 b England

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Jul 2013 12:13

Hi Potty,
Yes, I did spot the difference in the name of William's wife.
Son John's occupation is the reason that I asked Angela to confirm what it says on his 1887 marriage cert.

A Calenderer would work in the cloth or paper industry.
A calender is a pressing machine for smoothing and finishing cloth or paper.

Potty

Potty Report 18 Jul 2013 12:14

Where did John and Margaret marry? I can't find a marriage in Scotland or England/Wales.

William and Elizabeth's date and place of marriage should be on the 1865 birth cert.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Jul 2013 12:22

John W Evans married Mary Cochrane in 1887.
Registered in Camlachie, Glasgow

Which is why I am looking at this:

1891 Scotland Census about John Evans
Name: John Evans
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Evans
Gender: Male
Where born: Iron, Glasgow
Registration number: 644/5
Registration District: Blackfriars
Civil Parish: Glasgow Iron Church
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 81 Trongate
Occupation: Cloth Lapper
ED: 61
Household Schedule Number: 25
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1891_261
Household Members:
Name Age
John Evans 23
Mary Evans 21
Margaret Evans 6

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Jul 2013 12:31

Hi Potty,
Angela's opening thread has the birth date for John W Evans .
The corresponding birth record has a mother with a slightly different name to the one Angela gave
Therefore, I am assuming that she took the mothers name, Elizabeth Nugent Orcroft as it was written, from John W's marriage cert?

Rephrase:

Angela's opening post is looking for info on William Evans and Elizabeth Taylor who married in 1862

John William Evans born Glasgow 1865 has mother's name as:
Elisabeth Margaret Orcroft Taylor.
However in the text, Angela quote's the mother's name as
Elizabeth Nugent Orcroft Evans

The 1887 marriage cert will be written in a standard format and I am trying to ascertain the mother's exact maiden name ( sometimes written as "MS "or in full as "Maiden Surname")

Potty

Potty Report 18 Jul 2013 13:07

No wonder I couldn't find the 1887 marriage - I was looking for Margaret not Mary!

Potty

Potty Report 18 Jul 2013 13:09

It looks as if Angela got the date of William's marriage from John's birth cert.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Jul 2013 13:16

I did that too Potty...... I also looked for John and Margaret before I re- read the post!
LOL

Angela

Angela Report 18 Jul 2013 13:28

Can I thank you all for this amazing help, I fully appreciate your research.

1865: John W Evans birth certificate states mothers MS as Taylor. I am having difficulty transcribing their place of marriage but it look like 'Staffordshire'; I will have to get this and their Glasgow address confirmed. Glasgow looks like 'Oldlbynd' although I'm aware I'm possibly way off line? Register in Clyde district.

1987; Marriage John & Mary Cochrane - Johns occupation - 'cloth lapper' (journeyman) again mother noted as MS Taylor. Williams occupation states - boilermaker (journeyman)

They had another child in 1904; Richard Evans on 04/08/1904 and registered 63 Soho Street, Glw', district of Camlachie.

I Concentrated on Richard as he is my great grandfather.

again, thank you for all your help
Angela