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William Martin 1847 - ?1928

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stephen

stephen Report 20 Jul 2013 17:25

Can anyone help with the whereabouts of my great grandfather in 1861?

He was born William Martin on 28th June 1847 at St Luke in Middlesex where the family lived at 16 King Street.

His parents were William and Anne. His father was born in Spitalfields, Middlesex in either 1809 or 1811, depending on the 1841 and 1851 census returns, and his mother Ann was born about 1821 at Bishopsgate, Middlesex.

None of the above family seems to appear anywhere in the 1861 census, so any help in finding any of them would be appreciated.

Thelma

Thelma Report 20 Jul 2013 17:33

Have a look at:-

NAME: William Varkin
MOTHER: Ann Varkin
FATHER: William Varkin
BIRTH: abt 1848 - city, Middlesex, England
RESIDENCE: 1861 - city, Middlesex, England

stephen

stephen Report 20 Jul 2013 17:47

That looks like a real possibility Thelma - I get confused by the old boundaries in that area! How did you come across that?

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 20 Jul 2013 17:56

For ref this is the 1861 census that Thelma found.....do you know if there were any other siblings?

Name: William Varkin
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Varkin
Mother's Name: Ann Varkin
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: Bow St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 11 Ford Rd (looks like)

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image

Registration District: Poplar
Sub-registration District: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 61
Piece: 303
Folio: 132
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Varkin 42 b St Luke occ Labourer
Ann Varkin 40 b Clerkenwell
Emma Varkin 20 b Clerkenwell
William Varkin 13 b St Luke
Alice Varkin 4 b St Luke
Roland Varkin 5 Months b Bow

Thelma

Thelma Report 20 Jul 2013 18:01

I did a free search on Ancestry using first names but I haven't got access.
Cannot find on FMP.
Here they are in 1871

MARTIN ESTHER 1840 — 1871 Census Shoreditch, London, England

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Jul 2013 18:02

(above as Sarkin, Find My Past, or GR 1861)

Chris :)

stephen

stephen Report 20 Jul 2013 18:08

All I know about William Martin 1809/1811 is that he was married to Ann. I've now found the family in the 1861 census via Ancestry and it shows the "Varkins" living at No 12 Ford Road, which seems in the right area.

Problem is that William and Ann are shown as only 2 years apart in 1861 while the 1841 puts their age difference as 5 and 1851 shows it as 12

I know dates are not always reliable the further back you go

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 Jul 2013 18:15

I think those ones are LARKINS

Maureen

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 20 Jul 2013 18:16

Is this William's baptisam?

Name: William Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1847
Born: 28 Jun 1847
Father's Name: William Martin occ Brass Finisher
Mother's Name: Ann Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury St Luke
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: Kings Street

If so, there was another child baptized on the same day

Name: Ann
Born: 28 Feb (?) 1845

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 Jul 2013 18:21

Just to finish off the Varkins:
Births Dec 1860
LARKINS Rowland Poplar 1c 614

Maureen

Darn-did look good,Thelma.

stephen

stephen Report 20 Jul 2013 18:24

That's right Londonbelle,

You have the right record - William (1847) was born to William and Ann on 28th June and baptised along with sister Ann on 18th July 1847. Ann was then 2 years old being born in February 1845. They all lived at 16 King Street St Lukes.

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 20 Jul 2013 18:40

I have found a further 2 children which may or may not be connected to you family; it might be worth following these up as I note it is the same area and the occupation of William Snr is Brass Finisher

Name: George Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Jun 1860
Born: 19 Sep 1853
AND
Name: Charles Martin
Baptism Date: 10 Jun 1860
Born: 30 Aug (?) 1859
ADDRESS: 53 Murray Street
Father's Name: William Martin occ Brass Finisher
Mother's Name: Ann Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury St Luke
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

stephen

stephen Report 20 Jul 2013 18:56

That's very helpful Londonbelle.

Both Williams, 1809 and 1847 were brass finishers - it ran in the family!

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 Jul 2013 19:08

That's really annoying.

Daughter Esther marries from the same address:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Esther Martin
Name: Esther Martin
Spouse Name: Charles Maul
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Feb 1872
Parish: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Martin
Spouse Father Name: George Maul
Register Type: Parish Register

Maureen

stephen

stephen Report 20 Jul 2013 19:36

Seems odd that none of these appear in the 1861 census

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 Jul 2013 19:43

Yes,Stephen,it does seem a little odd.

Just for ref:

1861 Census
St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets
Shoreditch
RG09 piece 236 folio 156 page 31


1861 Census
St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets
Shoreditch
RG09 piece 236 folio 156 page 32


Maureen

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 20 Jul 2013 19:45

Do you know when William Snr or his wife Ann died? Wondering whether either parent could have remarried before the 1861 census.......just a thought!

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 Jul 2013 21:58

1871 for ref:

1871 Census
MAUL, Charles
SHOREDITCH, London, Middlesex
RG10 piece 446 folio 28 page 2


Maureen

Reggie

Reggie Report 20 Jul 2013 22:45

Many 'pieces' of 1861 were damaged..................most of them were for the Home Counties

Look at the info about this on either Ancestry or FMP...................

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 20 Jul 2013 22:46

There are missing pages (including complete books) in the 1861 census. Islington is missing

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/help-and-advice/knowledge-base/
census/known-issues#3

You need to copy and paste both lines