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Wale, William James or just James

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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Sep 2013 07:34

(from other new 'Thread')

georgi Report 2 Sep 2013 19:52
Only have James Edwards on 1881 Census Living with Charlotte C Wale nee Payton and c/d in Croydon Surrey. Have him at marriage to Charlotte 1888 in Croydon Surrey. He is 35 and a Labourer. Have him again in 1891 on death aged 38. He died of a fall in Jan. His dad was John and John was deceased at marriage 1888. Don't know anything more of John. James thought he was b in Croydon but no one can find him.
Any idea how I can find either of these two men?
Regards


Chris Ho :) 3 Sep 2013 07:34
Perhaps the John Edwards witness on Aaron Agent first Marriage could relate?...

Chris :)

georgi

georgi Report 21 Jul 2013 22:23

I do have Charlotte's Mother as Charlotte Collins b 1822 Chidham Sussex.
Married to William H Payton Nov 1866 London.
He was previously married to Anne Rowe b 1822 England.
Married 1843 Hampshire.
William H Payton died 1879 so maybe Charlotte married again.
Quite a puzzle.
Thanks for your interest.
Beryl

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Jul 2013 21:01

(would be her Mother)

Chris :)

1881
AGENT, Aron Head Married M 45 1836
Croydon, Surrey
AGENT, Charlotte Wife Married F 60 1821
Southampton, Hampshire
Piece: 815
Folio: 29
Page: 9
Registration District: Croydon
Civil Parish: Croydon
Municipal Borough:
Address: 10, Windmill Grove, Croydon
County: Surrey

1871
PAYTON, Henry Head M 54 1817 Wales (Plumber)
PAYTON, Charlotte Wife F 49 1822 Sussex
PAYTON, Caroline Daughter F 16 1855 Surrey
WASSELL, Henry Lodger M 21 1850 Kent
Piece: 845
Folio: 41
Page: 3
Registration District: Croydon
Civil Parish: Croydon
Municipal Borough:
Address: Windmill Grove, Croydon
County: Surrey

georgi

georgi Report 21 Jul 2013 20:29

Hi,
This gets a little more confusing. Charlotte Payton married William James Wale 1873 & then James Edwards in 1888. She was also living with James Edwards in 1881. Surely she wouldn't have married Aaron Agent in 1880. I think it must be a different Charlotte Payton.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Will keep it in mind.

Beryl

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Jul 2013 08:50

(just an observation, which you might have noticed (may not be connected even!) but witness on 1888 Marriage was Charlotte Agent (Mother) did notice Aaron Agent had a John Edwards as witness on his first Marriage)

Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937
Name: Aaron Agent (Soldier)
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1832
Marriage Date: 20 May 1855
Archive Provided Parish: Farncombe, St John
Parish as it Appears: Farncombe
Spouse: Jrrah Ann Hook
Spouse Age: 30
Father: William Agent
Spouse Father: John Hook
(witnesses, John Edwards, Rhoda Summers)


Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
AGENT Aaron Croydon 2a 382
Payton Charlotte Croydon 2a 382

Chris :)

georgi

georgi Report 20 Jul 2013 23:08

William James Wale's father was William James Wale an Upholsterer.
Witnesses were William Harry Payton Kate Henery Saunders
Some of the c/d were named Wale at birth and seems they changed to Edwards later.

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 20 Jul 2013 19:27

How about this....

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about James Whale

Name: James Whale
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1845
Father's Name: William Whale.....Labourer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Whale
Parish or Poor Law Union: Guildford St Nicholas
County: Surrey
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about James Wale

Name: James Wale
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845
Registration District: Guildford
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 4
Page: 185


Misty x

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 20 Jul 2013 18:50

Could Charlotte and James Edwards have been together in 1881, maybe they didn't marry until 1888 because that's when William James/James Wale died!

Name: James Edwards
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Edwards
Mother's Name: Charlotte Edwards

Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Street Address: 14 Forster Rd

Daniel Gaffney 62
Emma Gaffney 56
James Edwards 27 .....Lodger, Labourer
Charlotte Edwards 26.....Tailoress
James Edwards 2
Eliza Edwards....8mth

Misty x

Mike *

Mike * Report 20 Jul 2013 18:39

same family in 1851

James Wale 38 - Clog maker
Ann Wale 35
James Wale 10 - Shoreditch
Robert Wale 8
William Wale 3
Ann Wale 4
Richard Wale 1

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 20 Jul 2013 18:33

On the marriage certificate, what is the occupation of William WALE (senior) and who are the witnesses.?

Gwyn

Mike *

Mike * Report 20 Jul 2013 18:27

????????
Could well be Wale on original


1861

William Wall

Age:16
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1845
Relation:Son
Father's Name:James Wall
Mother's Name:Ann Wall

Where born:London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish:St James
County/Island:Middlesex

James Wall 49
Ann Wall 45
James Wall 20 <<<<<<<<
Robert Wall 18
William Wall 16
Ann Wall 15
Richard Wall 10
Edward Wall 4
Emma Wall 6
Walter Wall 3


What was his father's occupation on the marriage cert ?
This one looks like possibly Last Maker on 1861

georgi

georgi Report 20 Jul 2013 17:55

Many thanks. Yes I do have the second marriage and quite a bit about them but I am stuck on William James Wale before or after the marriage in 1873.
Regards, Beryl

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 20 Jul 2013 17:47

Looks like his wife remarried

ame: Charlotte Caroline Wale Widow
[Charlotte Caroline Payton]
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage Date: 29 Jan 1888
Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, Holy Saviour
Parish as it Appears: Croydon, St Saviour
Spouse: James Edwards
Spouse Age: 35
Father: Henry Payton
Spouse Father: John Edwards
Reference Number: 7406/1/17

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 20 Jul 2013 17:45

Maybe this is Charlotte remarrying....??

Marriages Mar 1888

EDWARDS James Croydon 2a 271
REEVES Alfred Croydon 2a 271
WALE Charlotte Caroline Croydon 2a 271 <<<<<<<<<
WHITE Maud Minnie Croydon 2a 271

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 20 Jul 2013 17:44

In case you don't have this....


Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937
about Charlotte Caroline Wale Name: Charlotte Caroline Wale
[Charlotte Caroline Payton] (Widow)
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage Date: 29 Jan 1888
Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, Holy Saviour
Parish as it Appears: Croydon, St Saviour
Spouse: James Edwards (Bachelor) Labourer
Spouse Age: 35
Father: Henry Payton (Deceased) Plumber
Spouse Father: John Edwards (Deceased) Labourer
Reference Number: 7406/1/17

georgi

georgi Report 20 Jul 2013 17:33

Have his wedding Cert. Married Dec 1873 South Norwood, Surrey to Charlotte Caroline Payton. He was 28 and she 20. He was a soldier in 2nd Battalion 4th Reg.
His father was William James Wale. Can't find anything more about him.
Regards, Beryl