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Helping a Friend - Researching Simmons

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JohnDoe

JohnDoe Report 23 Jul 2013 08:48

I found a burial for a friend but it has an individual that I am not sure who it could be. His name is EDWIN SIMMONS and the burial states 1940 and him being 86 years old. So he was born in 1854 (possibly Shropshire judging from FreeBMD) but I can't make assumptions, he may be the father of Margaret Jane Miller nee Simmons who is also at the grave... Help would be appreciated on clarifying what relation he is to MARGARET JANE MILLER (born 1879 in Cardiff)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Jul 2013 09:10

His death cert. should help would give his home address and the informant may be family

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Jul 2013 09:11

Deaths Mar 1940
Simmons Edwin 86 Cardiff 11a 723

JohnDoe

JohnDoe Report 23 Jul 2013 09:15

I know is death year and everything, I am just wondering if he is the father of Margaret...

safc

safc Report 23 Jul 2013 09:16

Magaret J Symonds in household of Edwin Symonds, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Magaret J Symonds
Age (Original): 2
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1879
Birthplace: Wales
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Scholar
Address: 4 Zinc St
Event Place: Roath, Glamorganshire, Wales
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342271
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5285 / 70
Page Number: 48
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Edwin Symonds M 27 Byrtle, Somerset, Wales
Wife Mary Symonds F 27 Wales
Son William E Symonds M 6 Wales
Daughter Magaret J Symonds F 2 Wales
Daughter Sarah M Symonds F 1 Wales
Boarder John Vaughan M 33 Torquay, Devon, Wales

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Jul 2013 09:17

Well unless he is in a public grave. It's unlikely he would be in a family grave if not related.

Do you haven his actual death cert as that may help with info

Dea

Dea Report 23 Jul 2013 09:20

Well, this one does have a grandson called Miller ??

1911 census transcription details for: 72 Portmanmoor Road Splott Cardiff
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN32096 RG78PN1845 RD588 SD2 ED29 SN294
Reg. District: Cardiff
Sub District: East Cardiff
Parish: Cardiff
Enum. District: 29
Address: 72 Portmanmoor Road Splott Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SIMMONS, Edwin Head Married M 57 1854 Dock Labourer Birtell Somerset
SIMMONS, Mary Wife Married 37 years F 57 1854 Baseleg Monmouth
SIMMONS, William Son Single M 35 1876 Dock Labourer Cardiff Glamorgan
DAVIES, Charles Boarder Single M 25 1886 Dock Labourer Cardiff Glamorgan
MILLER, William Grandson M 12 1899 School Cardiff Glamorgan

Edwin though is born in Somerset?

Dea x

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Jul 2013 09:21


Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: SIMMONS, Margaret Jane
Registration district: Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 570
MarriageFinder: MILLER, William Williamson
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safc

safc Report 23 Jul 2013 09:22

for his occupation

Edwin Symonds, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Edwin Symonds
Age (Original): 27
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1854
Birthplace: Byrtle, Somerset, Wales
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Stevedore
Address: 4 Zinc St
Event Place: Roath, Glamorganshire, Wales
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342271
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5285 / 70
Page Number: 48
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Edwin Symonds M 27 Byrtle, Somerset, Wales
Wife Mary Symonds F 27 Wales
Son William E Symonds M 6 Wales
Daughter Magaret J Symonds F 2 Wales
Daughter Sarah M Symonds F 1 Wales
Boarder John Vaughan M 33 Torquay, Devon, Wales

JohnDoe

JohnDoe Report 23 Jul 2013 09:29

Judging from you Census posts, I think these may be correct.. Thanks, but I am wondering why it is "Symonds" when the FreeBMD says "Simmons" ?

JohnDoe

JohnDoe Report 23 Jul 2013 09:30

And yes, Margaret married WILLIAM WILLIAMSON MILLER (he is also buried in the same grave)

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Jul 2013 09:33

DJ

I'm sure it has been pointed out to you before that you have to be flexible about the spelling of names................

safc

safc Report 23 Jul 2013 09:37

Edwin Symons in household of William Symons, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Edwin Symons
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Catcott Burtle
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bridgwater
Sub-District: Polden Hill
Parish: Moorlinch
County: Somersetshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self William Symons M 47 Catcott Burtle
Wife Sarah Symons F 48 Catcott Burtle
Daughter Ann Symons F 19 Catcott Burtle
Son Edwin Symons M 17 Catcott Burtle
Son William Symons M 12 Catcott Burtle
Son Henery Symons M 10 Catcott Burtle
Daughter Ellen Symons F 7 Catcott Burtle

JohnDoe

JohnDoe Report 23 Jul 2013 09:42

Yes I know, but I was just making a statement.............................................................................................................................................. :-D

JohnDoe

JohnDoe Report 23 Jul 2013 09:43

Thanks for all the census transcriptions!! I can basically draw out a quick family tree for a friend now, he wasn't expecting this..

JohnDoe

JohnDoe Report 25 Jul 2013 14:09

I am wondering, there isn't a Somerset in Wales, the records say "Somerset, Wales" do they mean England??

Potty

Potty Report 25 Jul 2013 14:22

Not sure where the above transcription of the 1881 census is from but the image makes no mention of Wales - just says "Somerset, Byrtle". Other POBs on the page "Devon, Torquay".

Edit to give POBs from the image for the rest of the family:
Mary, Glamorgan, Gellygear
All the children, Glamorgan, Cardiff

JohnDoe

JohnDoe Report 25 Jul 2013 16:07

OK. I am wondering if I could get further help about the family as I am finding it hard with the surname variations.

I need help for -

Margaret Jane Simmons' siblings, so far I have Sarah M Simmons, and William E Simmons.

and,

Siblings for Edwin Symmons born ca 1854.

and,

the ancestors of his parents William Symmons and Sarah Coombe, both mattied May 2 1848 (I got Robert Symmons and John Coombe so far as the each spouse parents).

Much help please!

Potty

Potty Report 26 Jul 2013 11:50

1911 census say that they had had 3 children (so you have found them all); 1 has died. So, William is on the census and if you have Margaret's DOD on the gravestone, you can work out whether it is she or Sarah who died before 1911

Potty

Potty Report 26 Jul 2013 11:56

Change of POB in 1891:

1901 Wales Census
Name:Edwin Simmons

Age in 1901: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Simmons
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinginton, Somerset, England