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John William Deuce c1838

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Victoria

Victoria Report 25 Jul 2013 15:47

Hello,

I'm looking for information on the parents and childhood of John William Deuce, b c1839 (1891 Census has it as 1832) in the Hunslet area of Leeds.

His marriage certificate has no father's details.

I cannot find him on the 1851 census, but I have a possible match on the 1841 census:

William Duce 20
Sarah Ann Duce 20
John William Duce 1,
Living Moor side Forster Buildings, Leeds.

I found a possible match for his parents on the 1851 census, but John Wm doesn't appear.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Many thanks,

Victoria

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jul 2013 15:54

Could this be him in the 1861 census as a servant:-

1861 census transcription details for: Golden Lion Hotel, Briggate, Leeds

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3396
Folio: 78
Page: 14
Reg. District: Leeds
Sub District: 3 West Leeds
Parish: Leeds
Enum. District: 64
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Leeds

Address: Golden Lion Hotel, Briggate, Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

CLARK, John Head Married M 49 1812 Hotel Proprietor
Nottingham Ratford
CLARK, Ellen Wife Married F 41 1820
Nottingham Ratford
CLARK, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840
Nottingham Ratford
CLARK, John Henry Son M 7 1854
Nottingham Ratford
HAYNES, William Henry Lodger Married M 50 1811 Merchant
London, Middlesex
THOMPSON, Joseph Lodger Married M 45 1816 Merchant
Belfast, Ireland
MURRAY, John Lodger Married M 64 1797 Traveller...
London, Middlesex
MUNKERBECK, John B Lodger Married M 51 1810 Traveller Clothing
London, Middlesex
GARRAD, William Lodger Unmarried M 35 1826 Traveller Hardware
Nottingham Cosington
RODMAN, John Hughes Lodger Unmarried M 39 1822 Traveller Hardware
Wingfield, Wiltshire
ROBINS, George Anbrille Lodger Married M 36 1825 Drainatic Artist
Southwaite, Surrey
POOLE, Charles Lodger Married M 45 1816 Drainatic Artist
Islington, Middlesex
POOLE, Amelia Elizabeth Lodger Married F 31 1830 Drainatic Artist
Islington, Middlesex
LOUNDY, John Lodger Married M 51 1810 Traveller Stationary
..., Gloucestershire
GREEN, Thomas Lodger Unmarried M 37 1824 Agent
Egglestone, Yorkshire
MASON, Thomas Servant Unmarried M 27 1834 Ostler
...Burne, Yorkshire
DUCE, John Servant Unmarried M 21 1840 Boots
New Wortley, Yorkshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
HILL, James Servant Unmarried M 19 1842 Waiter
Leeds, Yorkshire
HUDSON, Ellen Servant Unmarried F 27 1834 Chamber Maid
..., Yorkshire
HUDSON, Margaret Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 Chamber Maid
..., Yorkshire
MCNITT, Harriet Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 Kitchen Maid
Barwick, Yorkshire
RILEY, Hannah Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 House Maid
Churwell, Yorkshire
SWALLOW, George ... Servant Unmarried M 22 1839 ... Maker
Bramham, Yorkshire

EDIT - think this one is wrong as I think his parents are James and Grace in the 1851 census

Kath. x

Victoria

Victoria Report 25 Jul 2013 16:00

Sorry, on the 1861 census he is living with his in laws:

John Oxley 61
Mary 58
Frederick 23
Eliza Jane 16
Issac Riley 35
John w Dewce 22
Sarah 21

They live on Jack Lane, Hunslet.

The surname is entered incorrectly, so I struggled to find this, hence I need help.

Reggie

Reggie Report 25 Jul 2013 16:41

No father's name on marriage cert means illegitimate

Who witnessed his marriage? How old was he on the day?

Have you looked for a baptism for him?

1841 census did not record relationships.................you have no way of knowing how the adults were related to the child, or what their connection was to each other

Reggie

Reggie Report 25 Jul 2013 16:47

This would appear to confirm the family connections in 1841


Name: John William Duce
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 13 Oct 1839
Christening Place: SAINT MARK OR SAINT MARK WOODHOUSE,LEEDS,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Duce
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07194-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 918399

But it doesn't prove that he is the one you are researching, as one would have expected this one to know his father's details

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Jul 2013 19:23

Just posting the marriage record for our reference:

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name: John William Deuce - Sawyer, of Steander?? Yard
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 22
Marriage or Bann Date: 31 Dec 1860
Parish: Leeds, St Peter
Spouse's Name: Sarah Oxley (21) of Jack Lane
Spouse's Father's Name: John Oxley - Fruiterer
Call Number: P 68/5/61

Neither previously married.

Witnesses: Jabez Pickersgill and Betsy Scott.

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Jul 2013 22:10

Just putting the full 1861.


1861 census transcription details for: 25, Jack Lane, Hunslet, Leeds
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3366
Folio: 66
Page: 4
Reg. District: Hunslet
Sub District: 7 Hunslet
Parish: Hunslet
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Barnabas
City/Municipal Borough: Leeds
Address: 25, Jack Lane, Hunslet, Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
OXLEY, John Head Married M 61 1800 Greengrocer
Mirfield, Yorkshire
OXLEY, Mary Wife Married F 58 1803
Tadcaster, Yorkshire
OXLEY, Frederick Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Machine Maker
Leeds, Yorkshire
OXLEY, Eliza Jane Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Cap Maker
Leeds, Yorkshire
RILEY, Isaac Son Married M 35 1826 Timber Sawyer
Sowerby, Yorkshire
>>DEWCE, John W Son In Law Married M 22 1839 Timber Sawyer
Leeds, Yorkshire
DEWCE, Sarah Daughter Married F 21 1840 Cap Maker
Whiston, Lancashire
TAYLOR, Nehemiah Lodger Unmarried M 20 1841 Labourer In Tool Foundry
Rothwell, Yorkshire



1881 census transcription details for: 2, Ashbey St, Hunslet
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4486
Folio: 70
Page: 18
Reg. District: Hunslet
Sub District: Hunslet
Parish: Hunslet
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Ashbey St, Hunslet
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DEUCE, John W Head Married M 42 1839 Wood Sawyer
Leeds, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Sarah Wife Married F 42 1839
Leeds, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Isaac Son Single M 18 1863 Ginger Beer Maker
Leeds, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Henry Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Leeds, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Alfred Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Leeds, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Isaac T Son Single M 1 1880
Leeds, Yorkshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Jul 2013 22:15

Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 - Burial
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First name(s): John William
Last name DEUCE
Date of burial: 8 Apr 1896
Age at death: 56
Calculated year of birth: 1840
Place of burial: Leeds
Dedication: Hunslet Cemetery
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)

Victoria

Victoria Report 26 Jul 2013 15:37

On the 1871 Census, it gives his place of birth as Woodhouse. So I suspect that William and Sarah Ann are his parents, I thought that William's details may not be on the marriage certificate because he might have died.

There is a Sarah Ann Deuce who died 1849, Hunslet/Holbeck. There are also William Duce's who died in 1846 and in the 1850s.

However I still cannot find evidence of a marriage between Wm Deuce and Sarah Ann. Or where John Wm is on the 1851 census.

Mary

Mary Report 26 Jul 2013 17:48

William Duce a mechanic age above 21 married at Woodhouse St Peter on 7/5/1842 to Sarah Frank age above 21,daughter of John Frank a tailor.
Father of William was James Duce,witnessed by Abraham Shaw and Ann Lawson

Maryb

alviegal

alviegal Report 26 Jul 2013 20:47

Adding 1851


1851 census transcription details for: 8, Moore Street, Holbeck, Leeds
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2317
Folio: 247
Page: 7
Reg. District: Hunslet
Sub District: Holbeck
Parish: Holbeck
Enum. District: 3H
Ecclesiastical District: Brewery Field
City/Municipal Borough: Leeds
Address: 8, Moore Street, Holbeck, Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DEUCE, William Head Married M 33 1818 Mechanic
Holbeck, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Sarah Wife Married F 31 1820
Holbeck, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Celena Daughter F 6 1845
Holbeck, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Sophia Daughter F 5 1846
Holbeck, Yorkshire
DEUCE, Emily Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1851
Holbeck, Yorkshire

and possible Sarah in 1841 before marriage. So she can't be the same Sarah Ann in the 1841, Leeds census in the first posting.


1841 census transcription details for: Mulbury Street, Leeds, Hunslet
Print Close

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1345
Book/Folio: 4/46
Page: 18
Reg. District: Leeds
Sub District: Hunslet
Parish: Leeds
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Leeds
Address: Mulbury Street, Leeds, Hunslet
County: Yorkshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GRAYSON, Hannah F 60 1781 Yorkshire
FRANK, Sarah F 20 1821 Yorkshire

Mary

Mary Report 26 Jul 2013 21:40

??
Married in kirkstall Leeds
William Deuce full age could be warehouseman married 25/9/1838 father Joseph Thackrey a clothier to Sarah Ann Hardcastle full age father John Hardcastle.

Maryb.