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How can I find any more info on this couple please

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Sandra

Sandra Report 26 Jul 2013 00:40


Name:
Alexander Forbes

Age in 1911:
36

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1875

Relation to Head:
Head

Gender:
Male

Birth Place:
ABERDEEN, Aberdeen, Scotland

Civil Parish:
Plumstead

County/Island:
London

Country:
England

Street Address:
53 Basildon Road, Plumstead, Kent SE

Marital Status:
Married

Occupation:
IRON TURNER

Registration District:
Woolwich

Registration District Number:
30

Sub-registration District:
Plumstead East

ED, institution, or vessel:
13

Piece:
2918

Household Members:


Name

Age

Alexander Forbes 36
Ellen Forbes 33
Ida Forbes 8
Helen Forbes 1
Charles Read 14

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 26 Jul 2013 01:22

Assuming the children were born in Woolwich, the birth cert will give you mother's maiden name and you can then look for a marriage, which may be in Scotland?


Births Jun 1903 (>99%)
FORBES Ida Hope C Woolwich 1d 1305

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
Forbes Helen Margaret Woolwich 1d 1200

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 Jul 2013 01:28

Alexander and Ellen had been married about 9 years
Ellen was born in Belvedere
Ida in Plumstead
Helen in Plumstead

Charles Read, a visiting cousin, in Woolwich.

To find Ellen's maiden name, it might be best to purchase one of the children's BC. eg

Births Jun 1903 (>99%)
FORBES Ida Hope C Woolwich 1d 1305

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
Forbes Helen Margaret Woolwich 1d 1200

This could be the marriage, but there are 2 x Ellen

Name: Alexander Forbes
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1901
Registration District: Strand
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1119
Records on Page:
Name
Alexander Forbes
>>>>Ellen Judge
William Briggs Parkinson
>>>>Ellen Whitton

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 Jul 2013 01:52

Hmmm.... could be a wild goose chase. Dartford is the reg district of Belvedere.

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954 about Juliet Ellen Forbes
Name: Juliet Ellen Forbes
Arrival Date: 30 Jan 1927
Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York, United States
Accompanied by: Daughter Helen M
Arrival Contact: Sister John Forbes
Departure Contact: Aunt Mrs. Clara Reid
Age: 49
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1877
Birth Place: Dartford
Birth Country: England
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Cards

jax

jax Report 26 Jul 2013 01:55

He married Ellen Judge

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Parkinson Ena Whitton Wandsworth 1d 1404

This couple were living in Wandsworth in 1911

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 Jul 2013 02:15

Not seeing a birth for an Ellen or Juliet Ellen Judge in Dartford reg or Woolwich reg.

To confirm Ellen's maiden name, it might be best to start with one of the girl's BC then progress to the MC if it fits.

What struck me with border crossing was the
born in Dartford
daughter Margaret M
Aunt Clara Reid....Read from cousin in 1911?

Sandra

Sandra Report 26 Jul 2013 05:57

Many thanks for all your hard work, I will send for one of the children's BC.

Thanks
Sandra

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jul 2013 07:24

(if any use later, found below)

Groom's First names:Alexander (Bachelor. Engineer)
Groom's surname:Forbes
Groom's parish:
Groom's Age:27
Marriage year:1901
Marriage month:Dec
Marriage day:24
Parish:St Martin-In-The-Fields
County:Middlesex
Bride's First names:Ellen (Spinster)
Bride's surname:Judge
Bride's parish:
Bride's Age:24
Record source:Westminster Marriages- Transcripts
Data provider:Westminster Archives
(Parents, Arthur Forbes. Carpenter. Joseph Judge (deceased) Engineer. Witnesses, Stephen Judge, Alice Judge)

Chris :)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jul 2013 07:36

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
JUDGE Eliza Marylebone 1a 1121
READ Enos William Marylebone 1a 1121


1901
READ, Enos W Head Married M 37 1864 Farmer
Kingsdown, Kent
READ, Eliza Wife Married F 39 1862
Belvedere, Kent
READ, Edward J Son M 13 1888
East Wickham, Kent
READ, Charlotte E Daughter F 11 1890
Wilmington, Kent
READ, Enos Son M 9 1892
Plumstead, Kent
READ, Jessie Daughter F 6 1895
Plumstead, Kent
READ, Charles Son M 4 1897
Plumstead, Kent
READ, Nellie Daughter F 0 (1 MOS) 1901
Plumstead, Kent
MOOR, Esther E Servant F 15 1886 General Servant Domestic
East Wickham, Kent
Piece: 577
Folio: 43
Page: 78
Registration District: Woolwich
Civil Parish: Plumstead
Municipal Borough:
Address: Clock House Farm, Shooters Hill, Plumstead
County: London

Chris :)

edits (Charles Read above might be wrong one, looking at below)

Name: Eliza Judge
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Enos William Read
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Dec 1886
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Stephen Judge (Grocer)
Spouse Father Name: Enos Read
Register Type: Parish Register

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 Jul 2013 10:00

Good one Chris Ho re the 1901 marriage. Which site did you find that on please?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jul 2013 10:54

(sorry folks, forgot to add!, found on Find My Past)

Chris :)

Dea

Dea Report 26 Jul 2013 11:37

It might help to trace Ellen - I believe these are the witnesses Stephen and Alice on Ellen's marriage in 1901:

Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
Griffin Rose Maud Woolwich 1d 1854 Scan available - click to view
***HOGBEN Alice Woolwich 1d 1854 Scan available - click to view
***Judge Stephen Woolwich 1d 1854 Scan available - click to view
Whines Robert William Woolwich 1d 1854 Scan available - click to view



1901 census transcription details for: 4, Ceres Road, Plumstead
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 576
Folio: 61
Page: 48
Reg. District: Woolwich
Sub District: Plumstead East
Parish: Plumstead
Enum. District: 26
Ecclesiastical District: St Nicholas
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Ceres Road, Plumstead
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
JUDGE, Steph Head Married M 46 1855 Mechl Engineer Arsl
Belvedere, Kent
JUDGE, Alice Wife Married F 31 1870
Plumstead, London
JUDGE, Fredk S Son Single M 23 1878 Bricklayer
Plumstead, London
JUDGE, Jessie E Daughter Single F 18 1883
Plumstead, London
JUDGE, Ethel M Daughter F 11 1890
Plumstead, London
JUDGE, Ida N Daughter F 4 1897
Plumstead, London
JUDGE, Arth W Son M 2 1899
Plumstead, London
JUDGE, Albert E Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1901
Plumstead, London
HOGBEN, Fred J Brother-In-Law Single M 25 1876 Examr Cartridges Arsl
Plumstead, London

Dea Xxx

Dea

Dea Report 26 Jul 2013 11:43

It looks like this Stephen is a brother to the Eliza who married Enos ??

1871 census transcription details for: Albert Road General Shop, Erith
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 882
Folio: 47
Page: 6
Reg. District: Dartford
Sub District: Bexley
Parish: Erith
Enum. District: 23
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Albert Road General Shop, Erith
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
JUDGE, Mary A Head F 42 1829 Kent
JUDGE, Stephen Son M 16 1855 Kent
JUDGE, Kezia Daughter F 14 1857 Kent
JUDGE, Naonia Daughter F 11 1860 Kent
JUDGE, Eliza Daughter F 9 1862 Kent
PRESCOTT, Sarah Mother F 77 1794 Kent
PERRIT, David Visitor M 8 1863 Not Known
PERRIT, William Visitor M 6 1865

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 26 Jul 2013 11:44

Sorry - Have to go off for a while - will continue when I get back.

Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jul 2013 12:18

Baptism
County Kent
Place Belvedere (Erith)
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 30
DateOfBirth 10 Jan 1862
BaptismDate 20 Apr 1862
Forename Eliza
Sex F
FatherForename Stephen
MotherForename Mary Anne
FatherSurname JUDGE
MotherSurname
Abode Lesness Heath
FatherOccupation Grocer

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

1861
JUDGE, Stephen Head Married M 42 1819 Grocer
Plumstead, Kent
JUDGE, Mary A Wife Married F 33 1828
Erith, Kent
JUDGE, Sarah Daughter F 10 1851
Hampstead, Middlesex
JUDGE, Stephen Son M 6 1855
Erith, Kent
JUDGE, Kezia Daughter F 4 1857
Erith, Kent
JUDGE, Naomi Daughter F 1 1860
Erith, Kent
PRESCOTT, Sarah Mother In Law Widow F 68 1793 Almswoman
Woolwich, Kent
Piece: 466
Folio: 83
Page: 4
Registration District: Dartford
Civil Parish: Erith
Municipal Borough:
Address: Heath House, Essex Place, Erith
County: Kent

1881?
JUDGE, Mary Ann Head Widow F 53 1828 General Dealer
Lessness Heath, Kent
JUDGE, Sarah J Daughter Single F 31 1850
Hampstead, Middlesex
JUDGE, Eliza Daughter Single F 20 1861 Dressmaker
Lessness Heath, Kent
JUDGE, Nelly Grand Daughter Single F 4 1877
Bexley Heath, Kent
WOOD, Samuel Lodger Single M 36 1845 Decorator
Nottingham, Oxfordshire
Piece: 864
Folio: 17
Page: 28
Registration District: Dartford
Civil Parish: Erith
Municipal Borough:
Address: 32, Albert Road, Erith
County: Kent

(Yes Dea, got this far this morning, things started to look confusing!)

Chris :)

1901 (possible Alexander)
BROWN, John Head Married M 51 1850 Turner Civil Engineer
Scotland
BROWN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 49 1852
Dunstable, Bedfordshire
BROWN, John A Son Single M 21 1880 Clerk School Bd London
Plumstead
BROWN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 26 1875 Dressmaker
Enfield, Middlesex
FORBES, Alexander Boarder Single M 26 1875 Engineers Turner
Scotland
DALE, Alexander R Boarder Single M 23 1878 Engineers Turner
Scotland
Piece: 572
Folio: 57
Page: 28
Registration District: Woolwich
Civil Parish: Plumstead
Municipal Borough:
Address: 86, Bramblebury Road, Plumstead
County: London

1901 ?
JUDGE, Nellie Servant Single F 23 1878 General Serv (Domestic)
Belverdere, Kent
Piece: 571
Folio: 129
Page: 13
Registration District: Woolwich
Civil Parish: Plumstead
Municipal Borough:
Address: 185, Eglinton Road, Plumstead
County: London

(perhaps better to wait on Birth Cert. Sandra is ordering, to make sure of Maiden name for Ellen)

edits (just adding 1911 again)

FORBES, Alexander Head Married M 36 1875 Iron Turner R L Laby Dept (Royal Arsenal, Woolwich) Aberdeenshire Alberdeen Resident
FORBES, Ellen Wife Married9 years F 33 1878 Kent Belvedere
FORBES, Ida Daughter F 3 1908 London Plumstead
FORBES, Helen Daughter F 1 1910 London Plumstead
READ, Charles Cousin M 14 1897 Disengaged Just Left School London Woolwich
RG number: RG14
Piece: 2918
Reference: RG14PN2918 RG78PN100 RD30 SD4 ED13 SN344
Registration District: Woolwich
Sub District: Plumstead East
Enumeration District: 13
Parish: Plumstead
Address: 53 Basildon Road Plumstead Kent S E
County: London

Sandra

Sandra Report 26 Jul 2013 13:47

I thank you all very much for all the hard work you have all put in, I have ordered the BC of Ida, but looking at the info Chris Ho has put on this is not the Alexander I am looking for,as soon as I saw his father's name was Arthur, that's not the father of my Alexander.

Sorry again.

Thank you
Sandra

Potty

Potty Report 26 Jul 2013 14:00

Well, do you know what Alexander's father's name was, then?

Dea

Dea Report 26 Jul 2013 14:23

Well this is Alexander with father Arthur!! - Looks like a 'fit' to me???

1881 census transcription details for: Tannfield Walk Woodbine Cot, Old Machar
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1682
Folio: 49
Page: 6
Reg. District: Old Machar
Sub District:
Parish: Old Machar
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Tannfield Walk Woodbine Cot, Old Machar
County: Aberdeenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FORBES, Arthur Head Married M 40 1841 House Carpenter Jour
Inverurie, Aberdeenshire
FORBES, Mary Wife Married F 32 1849
Echt, Aberdeenshire
FORBES, James Son M 8 1873 Scholar
Woodside, Aberdeenshire
FORBES, Alexander Son M 6 1875 Scholar
Woodside, Aberdeenshire
FORBES, William Son M 4 1877 Scholar
Woodside, Aberdeenshire
FORBES, John Son M 2 1879
Woodside, Aberdeenshire
FORBES, Charles Son M 0 1881
Woodside, Aberdeenshire



1891 census transcription details for: Mary Hill Cottage, Old Machar
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 168
Folio: 3
Page: 57
Reg. District: Woodside
Sub District:
Parish: Old Machar
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Mary Hill Cottage, Old Machar
County: Aberdeenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FORBES, Arthur Head Married M 51 1840 House Carpenter
Inverurie, Aberdenshire
FORBES, Mary Wife Married F 43 1848
Echt, Aberdenshire
FORBES, Alexander Son Unmarried M 16 1875 Engine Fitters Apprentice
Woodside, Aberdenshire
FORBES, Arthur Son Unmarried M 15 1876 Irongmongors Apprentice
Woodside, Aberdenshire
FORBES, John Son Unmarried M 12 1879 Scholar
Woodside, Aberdenshire
FORBES, Charles Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Woodside, Aberdenshire
FORBES, George Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Woodside, Aberdenshire
FORBES, Robert Son M 3 1888
Woodside, Aberdenshire
FORBES, Mary Daughter F 1 1890
Woodside, Aberdenshire


Dea x

Sandra

Sandra Report 26 Jul 2013 15:27

Thank you Dea and Potty, its complicated this and I think I have went about it in the wrong way because I am now just clutching at straws, a cousin of my husband who died recently led me to believe that the person I am looking for may have dropped his first christian name and went by his second christian name, I should have asked if someone could find the parents of this couple and that would have ruled this out,please dont be angry if ive made a mistake.

The person I am looking for is Edward Alexander Forbes, born 5/1/1876 in 100 Commerce St. Aberdeen, his mother was Johan Forbes nee Rae, no father for Edward, I have him on 1881 cenus with his mother age 4 then 1891 census aged 14, I cant find him after that, his mother died 1/1/1901 in the poorhouse in Aberdeen, but I cant find Edward, I have spent many days in the records office here and I cant find a marriage or death for him, I have asked for help before with this but I dont know how you find previous threads.

His mother had 4 children after 1864 when her husband died, no fathers on any BC, I think their middle names are the fathers, its been really difficult to find this family, but I managed, but Edward has never been found, I keep going back and looking, but as I said Im clutching at straws now, I think this maybe is the time to admit defeat and let it go.

Again please accept my apologies everyone who helped on this.

Regards
Sandra :-(

Potty

Potty Report 26 Jul 2013 17:04

Sandra, to find your threads, click on My Threads (in drop down menu under Community, at top of screen). There is an option to just view the threads you have stared.

So, are you just assuming that the Alexander in the 1911 is the man you are looking for?