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Hi, I need some help please!
I have tried to trace siblings of my Great Grandfather Frederick Hayden, born in Leeds, Yorks, 1875.
I have located him in the 1911 Census living in West Ham with his wife Kate, and children Jessie, Kathleen and Thomas (my granddad). Frederick's occupation is listed as an Asylum Attendant.
Going back through the earlier Census, I have found a Frederick Hayden, born in Doncaster, with siblings and parents however their occupations differ. This Frederick worked as a Telegraph Instrument maker, and in 1911 was married to a Rhoda.
I have been unable to locate 'my' Frederick in earlier census.
I thought I had tracked down a decendant of who I thought were Frederick's siblings only to be told that my information related to the other Frederick who, my contact has informed me, had no children.
Where then was my Frederick before 1911?!
Very frustrated as my mum died a few years ago and my uncle has limited information.
Thank you!

What is the name of Frederick's father from the marriage certificate to Kate?
Thank-you

That I dont have! Trying not to pay for things but I think I will have to order the marriage certificate to get the information. Thanks.

1911 - for ref.

Name: Frederick Hayden
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire
Civil Parish: Woodford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 53 Ray Lodge Road, Snakes Lane, Woodford Green, Essex
Occupation: Asylum Attendant
Registration District: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration District: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 86
Household Schedule Number: 101
Piece: 9760
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Hayden 35
Kate Hayden 30
Jessie Hayden 7
Kathleen Hayden 4
Thomas Hayden 2

Kate has been married for 7 years, 5 children born, 3 living 2 had died.

He is old enough to have been married previously.
Have you found an obvious birth for him?

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Marriages Dec 1904
Busby Arthur William Romford 4a 799
Foxhall Charlotte A Romford 4a 799
Hayden Frederick Romford 4a 799 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Robinson Kate Romford 4a 799 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Is this his death?
Frederick W Hayden
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Jun 1939
Age at Death: 63
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 38

Was he definitely born in Leeds?
Births Jun 1876
HAYDEN Frederick William W. Ham 4a 38
Added:
No, believe this one is in Plaistow in 1911, so a different Frederick

I havent found much on him at all. I've found the births of the children, his wife was a Kate Robinson. I have not found a marriage for them and the birth year has been established from the 1911 census. I have an old tin of photos that has the initials of FH on it. A 2nd cousin has Kate's death certificate that has Frederick William as spouse however the 2nd cousin thought Frederick was Frederick Charles or even Charles Frederick though Im sure Frederick is his christian name. Frederick was born in Yorkshire, Kate was born in Ashford. I suppose I could request marriage certs for both areas but dont have a marriage date.

rootgatherer has posted the marriage.

Do you know when he died?

A tree on Ancestry has him born as Frederick G Hayden in Doncaster October 1875, son of John Kirby Hayden and Mary Ann Baker.

The only sources for the information is the census records and although his marriage is given as 1904 to Kate HAYDEN there is no source for this other than the 1911 census.

Frederick G is the other one, surely, born Doncaster, with Rhoda in 1911.

Yes, I think so too Patchem.

I think the marriage certificate is a must to get the name of his father.

Trees built purely on census records are often a bit dodgy!

Not seeing a birth for Jessie at the moment

Just posting the other births as sometimes middle names help.

Births Dec 1907 HAYDEN Kathleen Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 462

Births Jun 1909 HAYDEN Thomas William W.Ham 4a 414


Births Mar 1912 Hayden George H Robinson W.Ham 4a 834

Births Dec 1913 Hayden Nesta F W Robinson W.ham 4a 908

Births Dec 1915 HAYDEN Mabel A ROBINSON W.Ham 4a 775

Deaths Mar 1918 Hayden Mabel A 2 W.Ham 4a 467

Possibly born pre-marriage?

Births Dec 1903
Robinson Jessie Lilian W. Ham 4a 181

Name: Nesta F W Hayden
Spouse Surname: Barker
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1933
Registration District: Epping
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 959

I have got a message out with a couple of relatives to see if they can assist me. I too thought John Kirby was Fredericks father however I have been told otherwise. I will definately be ordering the marriage certificate! I'm finding alot of secrets and lies with this branch of the family!
Thanks for all your help.

John Kirby Hayden (Carpenter)
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Anne Baker
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Oct 1873
Parish: West Hackney
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Henry Hayden (Carpenter)
Spouse Father Name: George Baker (Labourer)
Register Type: Parish Register
(witnesses, Robert Sutton, Mary Sutton)

Chris :)

1891 (reference)
HAYDEN, John K Head Married M 43 1848 Postal Telegraph Stores Keeper
Buntingford, Hertfordshire
HAYDEN, Mary A Wife Married F 44 1847
Norwich, Norfolk
HAYDEN, William A Son M 16 1875 Telegraph Clerk
Doncaster, Yorkshire
HAYDEN, Frederick G Son M 15 1876 Telegraph Instrument Mechanic
Doncaster, Yorkshire
HAYDEN, Herbert I Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Doncaster, Yorkshire
Piece: 3681
Folio: 76
Page: 17
Registration District: Bramley
Civil Parish: Armley
Municipal Borough: Leeds
Address: 13, Fitz Arthur Street, Armley, Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)


Baptism
Baptism Day:26
Baptism Month:Sep
Baptism Year:1847
Forenames(s):John Kirby
Surname:Hayden
Father's Forename(s):Henry
Father's Occupation:Carpenter
Mother's Forename(s):Mary
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Page:8
Place:Great Hormead
County:Hertfordshire
Record source:Hertfordshire Baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider:Hertfordshire Archives & Local Studies

Chris Ho - I have the above information as I thought they were my 'Haydens' however the Frederick Hayden detailed has a different occupation to mine who was an Asylum Attendant. I'm going to get the marriage certificate so I can see for sure who Frederick's father was.
I have been in contact with a decendant of who I thought was one of 'my' Frederick's siblings, William who had 2 daughters however I have been informed that 'his' Frederick was married to a Rhoda Richardson and they had no children. May be the same person living a double life!!

I now have the marriage certificate between Frederick William Hayden and Kate Robinson.
They were married in 1904 in Romford. At the time of their marriage they were both living (working) at Claybury Asylum, Ilford. Frederick was an Asylum attendant, Kate a nurse. Fredericks father is detailed as an Edwin Coombe (?) Hayden, Veterinary Surgeon (deceased).
As previously mentioned, I am unable to find Frederick prior to the 1911 census. The census shows Frederick as being born in Leeds, 1876 but we can find no trace of his birth. We know that when he died (whenever that was!), he left his body to medical science.
We have tried to search for Edwin with Frederick and Edwin on his own, again, no trace.
Where do we go now?