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My Mead Fox Muddle

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HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 3 Aug 2013 19:29

New question added! Please go to last post!

A week or so ago I posted about William Fox/Mead - which proved to be a red herring so I deleted the post. I now have three pertinent certificates so reposting.

So here goes....

George Mead was my husband's gg-grandfather born Plympton Devon aorund 1835 (it varies from 1832 to 1835 in censuses).

1861 census

Name: George Maids [George Mead]
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Maids
Gender: Male
Where born: Plympton St Mary, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Plympton St Maurice
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 30 Fore Street Plymtpon
Occupation: Labourer
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration District: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration District: Plympton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 35
Piece: 1431
Folio: 15
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
George Maids 26
Mary Ann Maids 24
Willm Fox 4 - stepson
John Maids 1 Months - son

So I searched for a marriage for George Mead to a Mary Ann and the only one that came up was in Chard in Q1 1861.

So this is the first certificate.....the George marrying Mary Ann Boon is a labourer, son of John also a labourer. MY George was the son of John (so far so good) but John was a carpenter/wheelwright. And then this George was 20 giving a year of birth as 1840/41 - much younger than George. Moreover, Mary Ann Boon was only 18...

The second certificate I purchased was that of my husbands g-grandfather James born just before the 1871 census. Father is George Mead and address is 8 Cambridge Lane East, Plymouth, the same as just weeks later in the census. Mother is Mary Ann Mead formerly Fox.

Finally, the birth certificate of stepson William Fox shows him to have been born 15 November 1856 in the Union Workhouse Plympton St Mary to Mary Ann Fox - no father named.

So in 1861, Mary Ann is living as George's wife.

I cannot find a marriage - I suspect they didn't marry at all. BUT CAN ANYONE FIND SOMETHING I AM MISSING?

So 1871 (I think the enumerator got their birthplaces transposed-and the ages are both wrong)

Name: George Mead
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Mead
Gender: Male
Where born: Yealmpton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration District: Plymouth
Sub-registration District: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household Schedule Number: 231
Piece: 2119
Folio: 46
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
George Mead 39
Mary Ann Mead 39
William Mead 14
John Mead 10
George Mead 7
Richard Mead 5
James Mead 2 Months

William is now shown as a Mead and as a son. And that is the last I have found of him for sure - either as Mead or Fox. And they are both very common West Country names. In this census he is shown as a drover.

SO CAN ANYONE FIND ANYTHING?

I'm fully expecting resounding "noes all round"!!!!!!!!!

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Aug 2013 21:10

Looks like his 1841 - father a carpenter:

1841 England Census
Name: George Mead
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Plympton
Hundred: Plympton
County/Island: Devon

Registration District: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration District: Plympton
bers:
Name Age
John Mead 55
Mary Mead 40
June Mead 12
George Mead 6
Isabella Mead 3

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Aug 2013 21:11


1851 England Census
Name: John Mead wheelwright
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Mead
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: St Andrews Plyms, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plympton St Mary
County/Island: Devon

Registration District: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration District: Yealmpton

Name Age
John Mead 64
Mary Mead 63
Isabella Grace Mead 14
James Wollington 4

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 3 Aug 2013 21:32

Yeah jan I have these..only guess for george is 1851. It's william fox/mead I lose.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Aug 2013 07:20

Baptisms (Fnd My Past)

Forename(s):John
Surname:Meads
Year:1865 (Born 4 March 1861)
Month:Sep
Day:21
Father's Forename:George (Labourer)
Mother's Forename:Mary Anne
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Dedication:Plympton, St Maurice
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon
Page:30
Archive Ref:695/5

Forename(s):George
Surname:Meads
Year:1865
Month:Sep
Day:21
Father's Forename:George
Mother's Forename:Mary Anne
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:4
Birth Month:Apr
Birth Year:1863
Dedication:Plympton, St Maurice
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon
Page:30
Archive Ref:695/5

Forename(s):Richard
Surname:Meads
Year:1865
Month:Sep
Day:21
Father's Forename:George
Mother's Forename:Mary Anne
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:28
Birth Month:Aug
Birth Year:1865
Dedication:Plympton, St Maurice
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon
Page:30
Archive Ref:695/5
Record source:Baptism Register - Transcripts
Data provider:Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Collection

Chris :)

Baptism
Forenames:George
Surname:Mead
Year:1834
Month:Aug
Day:31
Father's Forename:John (Wheelwright
Mother's Forename:Mary
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Dedication:Plympton, St Mary
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon
Page:173

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 4 Aug 2013 07:54

Ooh Chris - thanks - these are great! Doesn't solve my search for their marriage or where William went but I didn't have these so it's great!!!!!

As was the norm it's a block booking :-) I wonder why William wasn't christened at same time?

Jude

Flip

Flip Report 4 Aug 2013 08:00

Jude, as William was born in the workhouse infirmary it could be that he was already christened there - I have a couple of children in my tree born and christened in the workhouses.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 4 Aug 2013 09:46

Slightly different tack...George's son Richard had a son called George Henry Mead born 1886 in Tregony Cornwall (which came under Redruth/Cambourne). I have him up to 1901.

I then have an army record in 1917 which I believe is him - not sure though - which shows him to have married in 1905 and to have a daughter Royal Annie Mead born in 1908.

I can find Mary Ann Moss Mead (known as Annie) and daughter Royal in 1911 but not George Henry.
I have then found an emigration record to Canada in 1924 for what I think is same guy, states married but wife nor child with him. Royal Annie marries in 1932 in Truro and dies in 1998 in Redruth area.

Before I order that marriage certificate to check father's details - any thoughts anyone? And can anyone find him 1911?

Jude

Mary

Mary Report 4 Aug 2013 11:57

George Henry Mead married 8/4/1905 of 2,St Clements Cottage
On his Army papers he was also at 2, St Clements Cottage and he was an Engineer.

This George henry was in Seccondee Ghana as a Fitter/Engineer returns 23/1/1912 went 12/6/1912,he seems to have been there and back on very many occasions the last I found coming back was 6/7/1924 and maybe the 1st in 1902!!

George H Mead to Ghana Africa 2/6/1920 an Engineer
Returned from Africa 4/9/1922
G H Mead an Engineer address
2,St Clements Cottage Truro.

Could this George Henry be a different on as there were two born @ same time
One in Truro area and one in Falmouth.

Strange his wife and daughter wasn't at this address in 1911.
Mary Ann M Mead born @1885 died 1935.

Maryb.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 4 Aug 2013 13:09

Mary thanks

"My" George Henry is almost certainly this one

Name: George Henry Mead
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1885
Registration District: Truro
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 127

So I have revised his year of birth to 1885!

The other one - registered Redruth is this one

Births Sep 1886 (>99%)

Mead George Henry Redruth 5c 222 Scan available - click to view

but this is why he doesn't feature in censuses

Deaths Mar 1887 (>99%)
Mead George Henry 0 Redruth 5c 196

Am going to have to have a play with this....his occupation didn't sit well with me!

Flip

Flip Report 4 Aug 2013 13:34

Jude, what is making you doubt the occupation? - if the military record you've found is correct then the occupation engineer or fitter would would agree with it..

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Aug 2013 13:37

Baptism
Day Month 25-Apr
Year 1886
Parish Or Reg District Cornelly
Forename George Henry
Surname MEAD
Sex son
Father Forename Richard
Mother Forename Louisa
Residence Tregony
Father Rank Profession Labourer

Chris :)

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 4 Aug 2013 13:48

In 1901 - albeit only 15 - he is an agricultural labourer like his father and his grandfather.......it seems a bit of a jump. But of course if Mary is correct and he joined the military in 1902, then it is possible he became an engineer then.

It's just infuriating that I can't find him in 1911! I suppose though that he could have been overseas.

Chris - thanks - that's definitely him - Louisa's maiden name was Beard.

Jude

Flip

Flip Report 4 Aug 2013 13:54

Jude, he didn't join the military in 1902, that is the first year Mary found him travelling. He joined in 1916 active from 1917 according to the military record, and he was already a fitter. It clearly states he has never been in military before. Names the wife and child on his military record - don't know if you can access the record but there are 2, 1 has only 4 pages but the other has over 20.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 4 Aug 2013 14:23

Yes I have looked at them (both) though not in full....I have found him travelling out to Secccondee in December 1910 :-)

It is almost inconceivable that this is not him. He can't have had a very happy marriage - he was never at home ;-) or perhaps that is why the marriage lasted so long! She obviously didn't divorce or remarry!!

I might just invest in the marriage certificate of both him and Royal Annie!

Dea

Dea Report 4 Aug 2013 14:27

Not sure why but I keep going back to this one ??

1911 census transcription details for: Edward St Tuckingmill
Print Close

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN14011 RG78PN834 RD299 SD4 ED12 SN100
Reg. District: Redruth
Sub District: Camborne
Parish: Camborne
Enum. District: 12
Address: Edward St Tuckingmill
County: Cornwall
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MEAD, George Head Married M 29 1882 Gas Stoker Cornwall Camborne
MEAD, Annie Wife Married 6 years F 26 1885 Cornwall Camborne
MEAD, Agnes Daughter F 4 1907 Cornwall Camborne

Dea x

P.S. - there is no record of a birth for one in Cornwall anywhere near 1882 ! ??

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 4 Aug 2013 14:37

It looks like this would be their marriage?

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
Hand Frederick Charles Redruth 5c 441 Scan available - click to view
Maclean Annie Redruth 5c 441 Scan available - click to view
Mead George Redruth 5c 441 Scan available - click to view
Phillips Florence Mary Redruth 5c 441 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 4 Aug 2013 14:39

The soldier is him...hidden deep inside the 26 pages was place of birth Tregony Cornwall

Dea...this is wife Mary Ann Moss Mead in 1911 with daughter Royal

Name: Annie Mead
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Truro
Civil Parish: Illogan
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address: No 5 East Hill, Tuckingmill, Camborne
Marital Status: Married
Registration District: Redruth
Registration District Number: 299
Sub-registration District: Illogan
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 50
Piece: 13989
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Mead 26
Royal Mead 5
Mary Annie Trevton 70

She also appears (as Annie Penrose married) at her parent's house but I suspect this was a red herring. Her mother's maiden name was Trevarton and I think Mary Annie Trevton visitor is actually her grandmother.

Like I say Mead is like a West Country Smith or Jones lol

:-D :-D

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 4 Aug 2013 14:40

Off out now to visit my daddy in hospital .....

Dea

Dea Report 4 Aug 2013 14:42

Enjoy your 'visit' Jude <3 <3

Dea Xxx