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Ancestry WW1 records

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**Ann**

**Ann** Report 7 Aug 2013 19:34

Can someone please take a look for the following.

Arthur Cross born appro 1893 Tranmere Cheshire?.....appreciate there are tons missing....so fingers crossed.

Annx

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Aug 2013 19:57

Name: Arthur Cross
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Tranmere, Cheshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Birkenhead
Sub-District: Tranmere
Ecclesiastical Parish: Tranmere St Catherines
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
District/Parish/County: Cheshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 7 Aug 2013 20:19

Is this the correct Arthur? It is mainly to ascertain who his parents are as they are sometimes mentioned on military records.


1911 census transcription details for: 6 Olive Crescent
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN22017 RG78PN1309 RD452 SD2 ED14 SN261
Reg. District: Birkenhead
Sub District: Tranmere
Parish: Birkenhead
Enum. District: 14
Address: 6 Olive Crescent
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CROSS, David Head Widower M 50 1861 Fireman Stationary Engine Lancashire
CROSS, Richard Son Single M 18 1893 Labourer General Lancashire
>>CROSS, Arthur Son Single M 17 1894 Apprentice Ships Carpenter Cheshire
TURNER, Louisa Housekeeper Single F 52 1859 Housekeeper Darbieshire
HILL, Fredrick Boarder Single M 31 1880 Cabinet Maker Sheffield Yorkshire
THAIL, Robert M Boarder Single M 26 1885 Ship Plater Port Glasgow
TELFER, Andrew R Boarder Single M 27 1884 Ship Plater C Renfrewshire Greenock


1901 census transcription details for: 40, Larch Road, Birkenhead
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3395
Folio: 112
Page: 21
Reg. District: Birkenhead
Sub District: Tranmere
Parish: Birkenhead
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: Tranmere St Catherines
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 40, Larch Road, Birkenhead
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CROSS, David Head Married M 40 1861 General Labourer
Fleet From Pilling, Lancashire
CROSS, Margaret Wife Married F 40 1861
Fleet From Pilling, Lancashire
CROSS, Elizabeth M Daughter F 12 1889
Liverpool, Lancashire
CROSS, Richard Son M 8 1893
Liverpool, Lancashire
>>CROSS, Arthur Son M 7 1894
Tranmere, Cheshire

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 7 Aug 2013 20:20

Hello Ann.......thanks.....yes I have that....just trying to see if there are any WW1 service records relating to him.

Hope you have had a good day!

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 7 Aug 2013 20:21

Sorry....yes Alviegal that's him.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 7 Aug 2013 20:24

Is this his Christening record?

Name: Arthur Oswald Cross
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 1 Oct 1893
Christening Place: Rock Ferry, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: David Cross
Mother's Name: Margaret Cross

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 7 Aug 2013 20:26

Sadly,


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1917 (>99%)
Cross Arthur O 23 Birkenhead 8a 565

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 7 Aug 2013 22:01

Sorry for the late reply BMD....son arrived home looking for misplaced paperwork, so it was mum to the rescue.

That is a strange one....as my Arthur has same named parents up to now! Am waiting for his marriage cert....before I go any further.

annx

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 8 Aug 2013 01:48

Looks like they had a few children that sadly died,


Name: William Cromwell Cross
Birth Date: 28 Jul 1895
Baptism Date: 25 Aug 1895
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: David Cross
Mother's Name: Margaret Cross
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/94



Name: David Townley Cross
Birth Date: 17 Sep
Baptism Date: 12 Oct 1890
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: David Cross
Mother's Name: Margaret Cross
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/90



Name: Sarah Jane Gertrude Cross
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1896
Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1896
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: David Cross
Mother's Name: Margaret Cross
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/95


Name: Alice Cross
Baptism Date: 31 Oct 1886
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: David Cross
Mother's Name: Margaret Cross
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/86


And the other 2 surviving children,

Name: Elizabeth Maud Cross
Birth Date: 5 Nov
Baptism Date: 25 Nov 1888
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: David Cross
Mother's Name: Margaret Cross
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/88


Name: Richard Cross
Birth Date: 19 Jul
Baptism Date: 14 Aug 1892
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: David Cross
Mother's Name: Margaret Cross
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/91


The address given in all but 1 is Regent Street, the only difference is Sarah Jane Gertrude, it states the address of Tranmere!! David's occupation on all is either victualler or barman.

The Arthur Cross that married....... Who did he marry and when/ where did he die? I suspect that the Arthur Cross family we are looking at now probably did have Oswald as his middle name seeing that the other two infants that died young also had unusual middle names.

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 8 Aug 2013 21:03

Hi BMD,

sorry again for late reply, this site is being a pain for me....keep getting error!

Am waiting for the Marriage cert to be certain I am following the correct family as there are a few possibles.

The marriage is between Arthur Cross and Margaret A Rice 1918.

Thank you for the above info.

Annx

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Aug 2013 01:36

Hi Ann,

Did they live in Bebbington? In Heedwood or Leedwood Cottge. If so I think I may have found his WW1 pension records.

These records also state a marriage date of 12.09.1918, Mrs Margaret Agnes Cross residing at Courthouse Farm.

Looking on further it's him!!!! Confirms his marriage to Margaret Agnes Rice.

Name: Arthur Cross
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Age at enlistment: 18
Birth Parish: Liverpool
Birth County: Lancashire
Document Year: 1908
Regimental Number: 33292
Regiment Name: Royal Horse and Royal Field Artillery
Number of images: 2 <<< more images, many are duplicated though.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Aug 2013 02:08

Name: Michael Rice
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Billinliss, Armagh, Ireland
Civil Parish: Storeton and Brimstage
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Needwood Cottage Spital <<<<<< !!!!!!! The address from the WW1 records
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Cow Man On Farm
Registration District: Wirral
Registration District Number: 451
Sub-registration District: Bebington
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 21937
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Rice 49
Annie Rice 44
Patrich Rice 14
Annie Rice 12
Elizberth Rice 10
Christinea Rice 3
Francies John Rice 1
18 Hours
Owen McKene 50
Eillin Crumay 26

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Aug 2013 02:20

Another address given on those records and they also confirm his fathers name,


Name: William Cross
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Arkwright Town, Liverpool
Civil Parish: Lower Bebington
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 19 Greendale Rd Port Sunlight Bebington
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Fitters Laborer
Registration District: Wirral
Registration District Number: 451
Sub-registration District: Bebington
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 21931
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cross 43
Lucy Cross 45
Charlotte Cross 15
Catherine Cross 13


:-D :-D

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Aug 2013 13:36

I've turned the 1901 census upside down, inside out and I've shaken it all about and I can't for the life of me find the Cross family in 1901.

It states on the 1911 census that William and Lucy have been married for 6 years and 2 children to that marriage....... Thinking that Charlotte and Catherine are most likely lucy's daughters prior to her marriage to William.

So the 1901 census is really vital to help tracing your Arthur to find his mothers name. I'll keep on for a wee hit longer.

Going to pm you so you know we've found Arthur.

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Aug 2013 22:31

I thought Ann's Arthur had parents David and Margaret? If so, this is the wrong Arthur married to Margaret Rice.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 10 Aug 2013 10:24

If Ann's Arthur married in 1918 and the Arthur with parents David and Margaret died in 1917 then it's going to be the wrong Arthur.

When I looked at other Arthur's around the area I found the WW 1 pension records for the Arthur married to Margaret Agnes Rice which is the correct Arthur, unfortunately I can't locate him with his father in 1901, nor can I find Lucy who later married Arthur's father William in 1901.

Flip

Flip Report 10 Aug 2013 10:47

BMD - what about this one??

Martha Cross
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Cross
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Birkenhead
Sub-registration District: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2886
Folio: 34
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
William Cross 32
Martha Cross 29
William Cross 6
Ada Cross 2
Arthur Cross 1/12

Arthur Cross
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Cross
Mother's Name: Martha Cross
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Poulton cum Seacombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Seacombe St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Birkenhead
Sub-registration District: Wallasey
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 256
Piece: 3405
Folio: 165
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
William Cross 39
Martha Cross 32
William Cross 16
Ada Cross 12
Arthur Cross 9
Maud Cross 7
Lottie Cross 5
Katie Cross 3
May Cross 1



Flip

Flip Report 10 Aug 2013 11:02

The service record gives conflicting ages, 18y 1m, but later on it states 17y 9m on 24/11/1908, so born around Feb 1891 which would tie in with the 1891 Census.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 10 Aug 2013 12:46

Well done Flip, really good find and it now ties Arthur into the family.

:-D :-D

Flip

Flip Report 10 Aug 2013 13:05

Cheers BMD - but have you found a marriage for William to Lucy, married 6 years according to 1911? I can't find one, nor can I see a death for Martha.