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Well done, Kucinta!

We shall have to wait until Geraldine gets that birth cert! Do hope it says what we are expecting or we will be back to square one!

Do you think it looks ok then Potty? I was a bit worried about the labourer versus blacksmith thing, but the rest seemed to fit reasonably well with the info we had on Henry from the marriage register.

I just wish we could find Elizabeth in 1871, hopefully with Henry Buckley, just to firm things up a bit.

Am champing at the bit for that cert to arrive!

If it's what we hope, then MrsBB has the task of persuading her SIL not to believe everything you read on Ancestry trees...

Do hope the cert comes before the end of next week as I will be away for about 3 weeks after that and might not pick up the thread when I get back.

If it does come later, would one of you please PM me to jog my memory?

Been looking at the Marstin family and Elizabeth's sister Eliza who married John Thomas Marstin had a son Percy who married an Ellen Eliza Buckley whose parents were Henry and Elizabeth Buckley!

I am pretty sure this is the family in 187 mistranscribed - It is a pretty poor image but I think it is Buckley and Elizabeth's POB is Walworth:
1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Backey

Name:Elizabeth Backey
Age:32
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1839
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Henry Backey
Gender:Female
Where born:Walworth, Essex, England
Civil Parish:Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish:St Alphage
Town:Greenwich
Henry Backey 37 labourer
Elizabeth Backey 32
Elizabeth Backey 7
Maryam Backey 5
Henry Backey 4
Ellen Backey

All born Greenwich except Elizabeth Snr

Could this possibly be Henry in 1881 (still there in 1891) - Hammerman could possibly be related to Blacksmith:

1881 England Census about Hy. Buckley

Age:46
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1835
Relationship to Head:Inmate
Where born:Greenwich
Civil Parish:Greenwich
County/Island:London
Country:England

Street Address:"Union Workhouse" Woolwich Road

Marital Status:Married
Occupation:
Hammerman

ED, institution, or vessel:Union Workhouse

Edit this Henry is still in the workhouse in 1911. Now shown as Widower, Former Boiler Forge Hammerman.

Potty, that's an absolutely brilliant find!

Having looked at the 1871 census image I agree it does look like Buckley, and Henry is also described as a labourer, rather than a blacksmith.

I'm wondering whether a hammerer worked for a blacksmith, and Henry 'poshed up' his job description for the wedding to Elizabeth.

Elizabeth's birthplace of Walworth fits in with Walworth for Elizabeth Buckley in 1891, and Newington for Elizabeth 'Harling' in 1881.

So it looks like Henry Buckley and Elizabeth split up sometime between 1871 and 1881, and she then lived over the brush with Henry Harling.

EDIT: Presumably the split came between the birth of Catherine Isabella in 1874 (see baptisms posted later in the thread)

Births Jun 1874 BUCKLEY Catherine Isabella Greenwich 1d 889

and the birth that Potty found and posted earlier, of Walter Harling aka Buckley in 1876.

Births Dec 1876 HARLING Walter Greenwich 1d 868

Also ties in with Henry Harling being set to move back to Greenwich after his discharge from the army 1873.

Just to confirm,

The' Backeys' that Potty found in 1871 census were living at No I East Lane Greenwich.

This is the baptism for Ellen Eliza Buckley, who, as Potty said, married her cousin Percy Marstin in 1894.

Name: Ellen Eliza Buckley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Oct 1869
Father's Name: Henry Buckley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Buckley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Father is a labourer, address is 1 East Lane - so the 'Backeys' definitely are Buckleys.

Other baptisms for chldren of Henry Buckley and Elizabeth Mastin?

(Probable half-sibs to Ada Edith)

Name: Elizabeth Margaret Buckley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Mar 1864
Father's Name: Henry Buckley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Buckley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich St Alphege
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address East St. Father a labourer.

Name: Mary Jane Buckley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Jun 1866
Father's Name: Henry Buckley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Buckley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich St Alphege
Borough: Greenwich


Address 1 East St. Father a labourer.

Name: Henry Alfred Buckley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Sep 1867
Father's Name: Henry Buckley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Buckley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich St Alphege
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 1 East Lane. Father a labourer. (note change from East St to East Lane)

Name: Richard James Buckley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1872
Father's Name: Henry Buckley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Buckley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich St Alphege
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 1 East Lane. Father a labourer

Name: Catharine Isabella Buckley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Mar 1874
Father's Name: Henry Buckley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Buckley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 1 East Lane. Father a labourer

Two of the Buckley children in 1881:

Name: Catherine Buckley
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sutton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: South Metropolitan Dist School<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Name: Henry Buckley
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sutton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: South Metropolitan Dist School<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

EDIT:

and another two....

Name: Richard Buckley
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sutton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: South Metropolitan Dist School<<<<<<<<<<<<

Name: Ellen Buckley
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sutton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: South Metropolitan Dist School<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Looked like Elizabeth may have had a previous history of offloading her children when the going got tough. Perhaps Henry Harling wouldn't take them on, or perhaps Elizabeth deserted them when she left Henry Buckley, and they were sent to the school when he entered the workhouse

"The South Metropolitan District Schools, Sutton
The building of the South Metropolitan District School started in 1852 to educate poor children from Greenwich, Camberwell St Olaves (Southwark) and Woolwich.

The original building bore the date 1853 but it was not completed for several years. It stood on the about a mile south of the centre of Sutton on the west side of the railway line to Belmont and Banstead Downs where Sevenoaks Close is now.

By modern standards it must have been a grim place although at the time it was considered well equipped and comfortable. Apart from the school rooms there was a chapel, a room for play in wet weather, a large swimming pool and workshops where the boys learnt a trade. A hospital and doctors residence was added later.

The original building housed both boys and girls. A separate girls school was later added a short distance away on the opposite side of the railway. A different system was followed when this built. Instead of one large barrack like block there were six self contained blocks with its own kitchen and laundry, each designed for 100 girls, There was also and administrative block, a school block and a large room used for religious purposes and lectures.

In the mid-1890s the school had about 1400-1500 pupils. Each boy had to chose a trade to learn, the main options being carpentry, shoemaking, tailoring, painting, plumbing, bricklaying, baking or garden and farm work. The school had a band and several boys went on to serve in army bands. The older boys assisted in cleaning the dormitories and day and school rooms in their school.

The girls were mostly trained to be domestic servants and they carried out the greater part of the general domestic work in their areas."

ttps://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1286

Interestingly enough, given Potty found Henry Buckley in census 1911 alive and still in the workhouse, when his son Henry Alfred Buckley married in 1904, he said Henry was deceased. Maybe they had just lost touch completely.

Name: Henry Alfred Buckley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Age: 37
Spouse Name: Louisa Foster
Spouse Age: 53
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Apr 1905
Parish: Hatcham St Catherine
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Henry Alfred Buckley -hammerman, deceased.
Spouse Father Name: Charles Foster
Register Type: Parish Register

One of the witnesses is John Henry Shanly, who married Henry Alfred's sister, Catherine Isabella, a couple of years previously.

Name: Catherine Isabella Buckley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 28
Spouse Name: John Henry Shanly
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Mar 1902
Parish: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Henry Buckley - labourer
Spouse Father Name: John Henry Shanly
Register Type: Parish Register

Louisa Foster (later Henry Alfred's bride) was one of the witnesses at this marriage.

EDIT: Louisa's age at marriage is transcribed as 53. It is badly written, and could equally well be 33 (more likely) or 93 (very unlikely!).

Hi Kucinta & MrsBB

Have been looking at the Buckley family from the 1871 - had found most of what you have found, Kucinta, although I missed Catherine.

I have put most of the info on a tree on Ancestry (Marstin). I will make it public so that it can be viewed on Mundia in case MrsBB's SIL doesn't have Ancestry Access.

It would be marvellous to be able to search Greenwich Workhouse Records to find out about Henry. It became St Alpheges Hospital which was where I was born!

The birth cert of one of the 1871 children would confirm the mother's maiden name.

Think you may have to do some arm-twisting, MrsBB!

The biggest gap in children's ages is between Walter and Ada Edith.

Looking back at Walter, there is this baptism - father's name is wrong and so is date, if the DOB on the school record is correct - but address is East St, same as the earlier ones:


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Walter Buckley

Name:Walter Buckley
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:5 Apr 1876
Father's Name:John Buckley
Mother's Name:Elizabeth Buckley
Parish or Poor Law Union:
Greenwich, East Christ Church

If we believe Walter and Ada Edith were Henry Harling's offspring, or at the very least that Walter was using the Harling name in 1881, then there was the child Charles 'Harling' who was born c1879 Deptford Kent.

I'm finding it hard to trace Charles Harling anywhere other than the 1881 census though.

In 1891 Elizabeth Buckley, Walter, Ada et al were living in the Brockley district of Greenwich in Foxberry Road:

Reg. District: Greenwich
Sub District: St Paul Deptford
Parish: Brockley
Enum. District: 47
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 130, Foxberry Road, Brockley
County: London

In 1881 the Harlings were living at 6 Foxberry Grove. I have no idea if Foxberry Grove and Foxberry Street were close to each other or not.

Edit: according to this site, Foxberry Grove had become Foxberry Road by 1912.

http://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Old_to_New_Abolished_London_Street_Names.htm#F


As Potty says, it's a shame we don't have access to the poorhouse records to see when Henry Buckley was admitted, and which Buckley children, if any, came with him.

Since Ada's your sis's gran, I presume Wm Grant's her grandad, and sis has most of the following, but maybe not, as if so, she would be the obvious person with SP credits you sought in your opening post.



1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON WENTWORTH (South/Sud) (#128)
Subdistrict: Dundas (Town/Ville) D-4 Page 14
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6506
22 155 Grant James M Head M Feb 1825 76
23 155 Grant Elizabeth F Wife M Mar 1829 72
24 155 Grant Elizabeth F Daughter S Mar 4 1866 35
25 155 Grant William M Son S Jun 5 1877 23
1901 S1: http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000116400.pdf
[Wm is a printer pob=Ont - John a labourer pob=Scotland the older 3 immig 1871]
1901 S2: http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000116384.pdf
[P14 L22 addy=b Blk 92 lot A - this looks like a town lot #, not a farm one]


1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Hamilton West / 19 ward 5 / page 15
42 130 Grant William M Head M Jun 1876 35 1901
43 130 Grant Ada F Wife M Dec 1881 30 1901
44 130 Grant Thelma F Daughter S Dec 1901 10 1901
45 130 Grant Violet F Daughter S Jun 1903 8 1901
46 130 Grant William M Son S Dec 1907 4 1901
1911 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001992259.pdf
[addy=171 McNab, Wm is a pressman]

So I suppose he's down as a comp(ositor) at 561 Wentworth N here:
http://archive.org/stream/vernonscityofham1926hamiuoft#page/614/mode/2up
Looking on https://maps.google.com/ this addy must be almost in the docks.

The 1921 census is available on Ancestry for free right now, but it's not indexed, so you have to browse page by page, so you really have to know the 1921 addy to have a chance.

Didn't spot 1891, but didn't try much

Census Year: 1881
Item Number: 3844743
Surname: GRANT
Given Name(s): James
Age: 56
Province: Ontario
District Name: Wentworth North
Sub-District Name: Dundas
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008189549.pdf


Name: GRANT, James
Age: 47
Date of Arrival (YYYY/MM/DD) : 1870/05/11
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec; Montreal, Quebec
Ship: ST. ANDREW
Reference: RG 76
Microfilm: C-4525
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passengers-quebec-1865-1900/001082-119.03-e.php?&interval=50&person_id_nbr=322261&&PHPSESSID=cstb77ou7p6rmvno35cr87lpa6

So 1870 was year of immig - Acestry might have a better quality scan of this. Now:

Census Year: 1871
Item Number: 3239334
Surname: Grant
Given Name(s): Elizabeth
Age: 42
Province: Ontario
District Name: Peel
Sub-District Name: Brampton
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396752_00372.pdf

1861 Scotland Census
Registration number: 256
Registration District: Durris
Civil Parish: Durris
County: Kincardineshire
Address: Lochton
ED: 2
Household Schedule Number: 56

James Grant 32 Tulloch, Aberdeenshire Head Blacksmith
Elizabeth Grant 30 Strachan, Kincardineshire Wife Blacksmith's Wife
Isabella Grant 4 Strachan, Kincardineshire Daughter Blacksmith's Daughter
James McKennzie Grant 3 Strachan, Kincardineshire Son Blacksmith's Son
John Grant 1 Durris, Kincardineshire Son Blacksmith's Son
Mary Ann Grant 4 Mo Durris, Kincardineshire Daughter Blacksmith's Daughter
Jannet Morr 13 Strachan, Kincardineshire Servant Domestic Servant
Alexander Walton 18 Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire Apprentice Apprentice Blacksmith


https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYPG-8JS
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYYD-PLJ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYR8-1HP
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY18-FJZ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYR8-BP5
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYR8-BT1
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYBW-HJV
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYBW-HJV

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT51-MYM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT51-9HS
[m112686 is a parish register batch# - maybe a record of banss being proclaimed
m112681 is a GROS index batch# - this will be the actual marr registration (or, more likely, the copy of it sent to the local registrar)]



1851 Census
Piece: SCT1851/226 Place: Newhills -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Newhills Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 147 Page: 20 Schedule: 85
Address: Hezlehead
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GUADULL James Head U M 36 Blacksmith, 2 Men Perth - Dron
GRANT James Servnt U M 22 Blacksmith Aberdeenshire - Ballater



1851 Census
Piece: SCT1851/268 Place: Strachan -Kincardineshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Strachan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 193 Page: 1 Schedule: 1
Address: Bogarn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TOWNS Robert Head M M 48 Farmer 28 Acres Arable Kincardineshire - Strachan
TOWNS Betty Wife M F 45 Kincardineshire - Strachan
TOWNS Elisabeth Dau U F 20 Kincardineshire - Banchory
TOWNS Robert Son U M 18 Agricultural Labourer Kincardineshire - Banchory
TOWNS James Son U M 16 Agricultural Labourer Kincardineshire - Banchory
TOWNS David Son U M 14 Scholar Kincardineshire - Strachan
TOWNS Isobella Dau U F 10 Scholar Kincardineshire - Strachan
TOWNS Hellen Dau U F 8 Scholar Kincardineshire - Strachan

1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/268 Place: Strachan -Kincardineshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Strachan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 3 Page: 3
Address: Pitready
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TOWNS Robert M 35 Ag. Lab. Kincardineshire
Page: 3/4 TOWNS Betty F 30 Kincardineshire
TOWNS Robert M 9 Kincardineshire
TOWNS James M 7 Kincardineshire
TOWNS David M 5 Kincardineshire
TOWNS Elisa F 10 Kincardineshire
TOWNS Jane F 4 Kincardineshire
TOWNS Isabel F 2 Kincardineshire
TOWNS (-) F 1m Kincardineshire


1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/226 Place: Newhills -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Newhills Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 2 Page: 8
Address: Sheddocksley
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HENDERSON Alexander M 70 Farmer Aberdeenshire
HENDERSON Alexander M 31 Ag Labourer Aberdeenshire
HENDERSON Christian F 33 Female Servant Aberdeenshire
HENDERSON Elspet F 20 Aberdeenshire
SMITH Peter M 15 Ag Labourer Aberdeenshire
Page: 2/9 GRANT James M 10 Ag Labourer Aberdeenshire

[Not a perfect fit, but it's only a couple of km N of Hazelhead]


http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/ has 1890s maps for every Scottish county showing where parishes are.
Ballater is in Glenmuick parish on Deeside abt 15km E of Balmoral - Tullich is a further 3 km E.
As you travel on down Deeside you come to Banchory abt 25 km from Aberdeen. Strachan is abt 5km S of Banchory, and Durris abt abt 5km E.

(Bogarn) 365700,790300
(Hazelhead) 389500,805400
(Lochton) 375600,792200
(Sheddocksley) 389000,807400
(Pitreadie Fm) 369200,791000

For a modern map, go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and search for the 13 character string then adjust zoom level (level 3 is good).
For an old map, go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html and search for the given coords then select a map - you want 1:2500 or better scale - here 1866 is oldest available, not too bad seeing as they arrived in Canada 1870.

I'm looking up the earlier censuses on http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
ABD and KCD are complete 1841/51 apert from 5 1851 civil parishes in ABD, namely Old Deer, Longside (both just W of Peterhead), Cairnie (between Keith & Huntley, on the Banff border), Old Machar (including Aberdeen), and Drumoak on the KD border, just across the Dee from Durris.
I like the transcription displays better on FreeBMD, cf Ancestry or FMP.
The other nice thing is I can just click on the button and see an adjacent h/h, which is handy when trying to find where an addy is, maybe you'll recognize a neighbour's addy.

E.g.,
1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/268 Place: Strachan -Kincardineshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Strachan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 3 Page: 3
Address: Pitready

Piece: SCT1841/268 Place: Strachan -Kincardineshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Strachan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 3 Page: 2
Address: Knockhill

Knockhill is indexed at Streetmap, but not Pitready (it's now spelled Pitreadie)

I'm not dead certain on the 1851 and earlier censuses, but the 1856 m.cert would help confirm or refute this.

No, Kucinta, I can't find anything for Charles nor can I find a death for Henry Buckley. If he died in the workhouse infirmary, his death would have been registered.

Greenwich and Lewisham workhouse deaths are on Ancestry but he is not coming up and the only death showing on freebmd is this one:

Deaths Dec 1916 (>99%)
Buckley Henry 82 EPSOM 2A 36

NO CERT yet. Mr Postie hides under the hedge if theres no post for me lol.

What am I going to do with you two!! WOW is all I can say. Your amazing.
mgnv...All that info is being stored for when we have sorted the Buckley/Harling lot.
...again...WOW. That amount of info would have taken me forever! actually I would never have found it all. I'm old n slow lol

Right! I have decided to buy that death cert of Henry Buckley 1916 as I have a theory after reading the following....

'Lost_ Hospitals_ of_ London'

The Greenwich and Deptford workhouse opened in 1840 on a 4 acre site at the east side of Vanbrugh Hill. Originally designed to accommodate 650 fit and 200 ill paupers, by 1851 the average number of inmates was over 1000.

By the 1870s it had become increasingly necessary to provide medical care and, in 1874, plans were drawn up for a new infirmary block so that space could be freed up in the south block of the workhouse for able-bodied inmates.

The Greenwich Union Infirmary opened in 1876 and consisted of two 3-storey pavilions, which could house 400 patients, and a 4-storey administration block, which also contained staff accommodation. It had cost £35,000 and occupied a 3-acre site immediately south of the workhouse.

>>> Prospective inmates were sent to neighbouring unions<<< under a reciprocal exhange scheme, and younger inmates were persuaded to emigrate to the Colonies and to the Dominion of Canada at the expense of the parish rate-payers.

Now then...Epsom and Sutton are very close together? I think Henry was ill and that's why Elizabeth sent the Children away then met Henry Harling? Maybe she still had a soft spot for Henry 1st. but you have to live and survive...Maybe the death cert will give us a clue if it was another kind of home.

I would like you two to tell me which birth cert for which Child would be the best one to buy?....no fighting!!! lol

Can I share something with you as I know you'll understand my excitement as I haven't got any of my own generation left to share it with...My kids just glaze over if I start on about Genealogy lol
I have found a photo of my Canadian 1st Cousin 2x removed. Walter Tyrie Stevens born 1917....He is the image of my Grandson!!!! Even he can see it.

Walter Tyrie was awarded the Purple Heart and a citation for heroic military meret in WW2. Injured while flying over Germany and recuperated in England and upon recovery he was selected to be the navigator of the plane that carried the second atomic bomb from Wendover field, Utah to Tinian island in the Marianas. How proud am I???
I'll replace the cat with Walter Tyrie so you can see how hansom my Grandson is lol
I even have photos of Walters Parents applying for passports!!

Reminder...WHICH CERT?

I'll leave it up to Potty as she found the 1871 census - which was a pretty large break through!

Census 1871 had the address 1 East Lane, and the baptisms I posted had the address East St or East Lane, usually number one, so you have middle names for the children to make them even more identifiable in the BMD indexes.

Wouldn't dream of fighting :-0

Walter looks very easy on the eye - but very serious. It's strange how a 'look' can reappear over the generations. he certainly played his part in history.

Here's your Walt:

1920 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJBH-2MW
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T625
GS Film number: 1821205
Digital Folder Number: 004313928
Image Number: 01164

1930 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X42V-YJ9
Affiliate Publication Number: T626
Affiliate Film Number: 1566
GS Film number: 2341301
Digital Folder Number: 004638852
Image Number: 00105


For decent resolution, magnify each image 4 clicks, then save it::

http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1205unit#page/n1161/mode/1up
[addy= 631 W 114 St]
http://archive.org/stream/newyorkcensus00reel1566#page/n102/mode/1up
[addy=1115 Fifth Ave - Walt Sr immig 1889]