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Eliza Gissing

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Judith Report 19 Aug 2013 09:12

Hi looking for my great grandparents,Eliza Gissing who married Robert Bryson .could have been a consular marriage as he did at some point work as secretary to the British consul in Paris.
Thank you Judy


Reggie Report 19 Aug 2013 09:13

Any chance of dates?

And birth locations?

Have you tried looking for info yourself?


Reggie Report 19 Aug 2013 09:17

I see that you have Eliza in your tree as born c1878, but no indication of where


Reggie Report 19 Aug 2013 09:20

When and where was your grandparent (their child) born?


MarieCeleste Report 19 Aug 2013 09:29

Useful background on here:

ADDED - From that thread, about the son

On Alexander William Robert Bryson 's birth cert. his father is given as Robert Bryson a "Chemists traveller"
Alexanders birth was 12 march 1899 at 200 Gt Dover Street. Newington.
For his mother it says Eliza Bryson formerly Gissing.
By the time Alexander got married in 1918 his father was listed as Secretary to the British consul, Paris (deceased).
Both certificates are correct , by the addresses.

It later states Alexander was married 1918 in Stanley, Co Durham.


Reggie Report 19 Aug 2013 09:36

Thanks, MC.................

As so much effort has already been put into the search on the other site.............I'll leave this one

No point in duplicating...........


MarieCeleste Report 19 Aug 2013 09:43

There's a lot of ambiguity about father Robert's occupation, on this baptism he's changed in a matter of months from "Chemist's Traveller" to "Paint Manufacturer"

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Alexander William Robert Bryson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 May 1899
Father's Name: Robert Bryson
Mother's Name: Eliza Bryson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Birth date 12 Mar 1899. Address 200 Great Dover Street.


BatMansDaughter Report 19 Aug 2013 10:21

Think this is Alexander,

1911 England Census about Alick William Bryson
Name: Alick William Bryson
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St George, London, England
Civil Parish: Hampton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Rose Hill Villas, Rose Hill Cottages Oldfield Road Hampton, Mddx
Occupation: School
Registration District: Kingston
Registration District Number: 40
Sub-registration District: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household Schedule Number: 57
Piece: 3562
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Glazier 35
Emily Glazier 28
Martha Brown 60
Alick William Bryson 12. Definitely male
William Brom 32


MarieCeleste Report 19 Aug 2013 10:27

Previous thread:


Flip Report 19 Aug 2013 10:41

What name/occupation does he give for his father on his marriage to Kathleen G Bryson/Bartlett in 1947?


MarieCeleste Report 19 Aug 2013 11:06

I was also curious about this one:

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005

Name: Alexander W R Bryson
Spouse : Lily Darke
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
Registration District: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1803


Flip Report 19 Aug 2013 11:57

Never noticed that one MC - found the other after following him to Australia in 1950, then returning in 1952 with wife and daughter Shirley (age 6). They had travelled out a couple of months after him.

His death registered in 1959 has the initials wrong way round, but his probate gives his full names right way round.

Shirley is on facebook, with rather an unusual name, and also has a tree on here.


Flip Report 19 Aug 2013 12:03

I wonder though whether he actually knew his parents, no sign of him/them in 1901 and he is a boarder in 1911 - possibly in care? I read somewhere on one of the links he "run away" to join up when under age - but running from who? A while ago there was a thread about some home children, shipped off to Canada - some of them had been placed with families before being shipped out when old enough.

Lies about his age on first marriage, could have invented rather a grand job for his "deceased" father, and didn't remember his correct name.


Flip Report 19 Aug 2013 12:39

Edmund Gissing
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Age at enlistment: 20
Birth Parish: Hackney
Birth County: Middlesex
Document Year: 1904
Regimental Number: 21972
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps
Number of images: 8

On image 739 he names nok as Mrs Eliza Br??? (added, it looks like Bryson to me) of 402 great dover street. He enlisted under the name Davis, but married in 1909 under Gissing. This is the family in 1891:

Edmund Gessing
[Edmund Gissing]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Gessing
Mother's Name: Caroline Gessing
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: South Hackney Ward
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Hackney
Sub-registration District: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 204
Folio: 114
Page Number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
William Gessing 48
Caroline Gessing 39
William M Gessing 19
Eliza Gessing 17 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<??
Edmund Gessing 14
Joseph Gessing 12
Emily Gessing 8
Charles Gessing 1


MarieCeleste Report 19 Aug 2013 12:47

Well found Flip, just had a look at that service record and there's no doubt that the sister is Mrs Eliza Bryson.


Mavis Report 19 Aug 2013 13:03

School records father William Gissing

Eliza born 1 Jan 1874 and Edmund 20 Aug 1876

address 1880 36 Ada -- rest missing--



MarieCeleste Report 19 Aug 2013 13:09

Have deleted a load of tripe that I'd posted above.


Flip Report 19 Aug 2013 13:10

MC it's 402 gt dover street, have you tried an address search for that?


MarieCeleste Report 19 Aug 2013 13:13

I did Flip, and the numbers don't go that high. So I tried 204 which brought up the Bryants (which I confused with Bryson) at 28 Union Square.


Flip Report 19 Aug 2013 13:32

Eliza's parents lived in Ada street when they married, and still there 1881/91 - Edmund and first wife Sarah also lived Ada street. Wonder what he did with the child when he joined the army (Sarah died 1901 age 25)?

When he married in 1893 he states father deceased - I had hoped Eliza was a witness but sadly not.