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George Henry Gordon Elphick

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Patricia

Patricia Report 21 Aug 2013 16:31

I am looking for my aunt's step brother (aunt died 1998). He was sent by Dr Banardos
to Canada in 1911 (born in 1904) from Glasgow to Halifax, on the Scilian. I think he went to Toronto,
and I know he had a son Gordon, but have no other details.

Gins

Gins Report 21 Aug 2013 16:51

Hi Patricia

Do you know who his parents were please?

There is this?



Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928

Name:George Gordon Elphick

Birth Place:Scotland

Age:24

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1902

Father Name:George Elphick

Mother Name:Anna Blackwell

Spouse Name:Gladys Amelia Christmas

Spouse's Age:21

Spouse Birth Year:abt 1905

Spouse Birth Place:England

Spouse Father Name:Charles Christmas

Spouse Mother Name:Anna Harren

Marriage Date:16 Oct 1926

Marriage County or District: Wentworth



And her death



Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947

Name:
Glades Elppick
[Glades Christmas]

Death Date:25 Jul 1938

Death County or District:Wentworth

Age:33

Gender:Female
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1905

Birth Location:England

Father:Charles Christmas
Mother:Annie Warren

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2013 17:02

ScotlandsPeople does not list a birth of any George Elphick (or variation) - in fact, no Elphick at all - anywhere in Scotland 1900-1910.

Is your information from an official source? Have you found any online record of him?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2013 17:06

There is this one ?????:

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ELPHICK George Henry Greenwich 1d 1102


EDIT: No, maybe not:

Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ELPHICK George Henry 2 Greenwich 1d 641

Gins

Gins Report 21 Aug 2013 17:24

For info



Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name:George Hy Gordon Elphick <<<English

Gender:Male

Age:10

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1901

Date of Arrival:9 Mar 1911

Vessel:Sicilian

Port of Arrival:Halifax, Nova Scotia

Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland

Roll:T-4738

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2013 17:29

No George Elphick born in Scotland 1895-1905.


?????

Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
Elphick George Henry Tunbridge 2a 764

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2013 17:31

That was a quick crossing and return! - ie - the sailing posted by Gins above, when read along with this one:


U.S., Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959
about Geo Henry Gordon Elphick

Name:
Geo Henry Gordon Elphick
Age:
10
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1901
Birthplace:
England
Gender:
Male
Ethnic Background:
English
Arrival Date:
11 Mar 1911
Port of Arrival:
Portland, Maine
Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England
Ship Name:
Sicilian
Last Residence:
England
Place of Origin:
England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2013 17:34

????


Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about George H G Elphick

Name:
George H G Elphick
Arrival Date:
2 Feb 1923
Port of Arrival:
Buffalo, New York, United States
Arrival Contact:
Friend Earl Bossart
Departure Contact:
Friend Levi Crach
Age:
22
Birth Date:
abt 1901
Birth Country:
England
Gender:
Male
Race/Nationality:
English
Record has photo?:
No
Record Type:
Cards

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2013 17:43

The two sailing records - arrivals 9th March 1911 and 11 March 1911 - give the same list of Barnardo's children. Very odd - same ship but different ports of departure and different destinations.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Aug 2013 10:12

Friendly PM sent to Patricia re how to return to her thread.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Aug 2013 10:37

Maybe not relevant, but in case it is, this may perhaps be the father of the George Elphick married in 1926.
This is the only feasible one in 1901 (there are none in Scotland). Do any of these names mean anything to you, Patricia?


1901 England Census
about George Elphick
Name:
George Elphick
Age:
27
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1874
Relation:
Son
Father's Name:
Alfred W Elphick
Mother's Name:
Emma Elphick
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Scotland
Civil Parish:
West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Mark
County/Island:
Essex
Country:
England
Registration District:
West Ham
Sub-registration District:
Forest Gate
ED, institution, or vessel:
24
Household Schedule Number:
25
Piece:
1590
Folio:
86
Page Number:
3
Household Members:
Alfred W Elphick 60
Emma Elphick 53
George Elphick 27
Sarah Elphick 23
Frederick C Elphick 20
Louisa C Elphick 17
Oscar J Elphick 13
Ernest Elphick 7


Mary

Mary Report 22 Aug 2013 19:17

What info do you have on your Aunt.

There are records for George Elphick and Gordon in 1949 in Hamilton east Ontario,George is a Shipper and Gordon in the Air Force.

George a labourer alone in 1940 and in 1958 a messenger and 1965 a messenger with Mrs Kate Elphick.

Kate Elphick is on her own in 1972 as housewife.

Maryb.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Aug 2013 20:12

Just to clarify, the Sicilian left Glasgow 24 Feb 1911 and then went on to Liverpool where it would have picked up more passengers before starting it's crossing 25 Feb.

It arrived in Halifax NS on 9 March and final disembarkation was Portland on 11 March. Passengers often recorded at each port.

Link to George's Home Child list
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=75697&&PHPSESSID=mof514lgt3mldvqvedqge6ofc7

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Aug 2013 08:58

PM below received from Patricia. Have advised her how to add any further thoughts to the thread, rather than by PM:-

Thank you so much for your help. I will look into this.
Regards
Patricia

patchem

patchem Report 24 Aug 2013 09:13

Patricia does not state that he was born in Glasgow, just that he was sent from there.
He is born in Greenwich in her tree on here.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Aug 2013 09:30

If she means the 1904 Greenwich birth posted 21 Aug, 17:06, it appears not to be the correct one, because of the death in 1907.

And perhaps he was sent from Liverpool, not Glasgow, as the same list of children is given for both embarkation ports.

Gins

Gins Report 24 Aug 2013 09:35

So would this be his baptism?



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name:George Henry Elphick

Baptism Date:19 Jun 1904 <<<DOB May 21st 1904

Father's Name:William Henry Elphick

Mother's Name:Annie Elizabeth Elphick

Parish or Poor Law Union:Greenwich St Andrew and St Michael

Borough:Greenwich
Register Type:Parish Registers

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Aug 2013 09:39

Hi, Gins -
That may be the baptism of the child who died in 1907.
Birth registration seems rather late, but that's the only George Elphick birth in Greenwich in 1904.

Gins

Gins Report 24 Aug 2013 09:51

It says that 8 children were born and 2 have died



1911 England Census

Name:Annie Elphick

Age in 1911:39

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1872

Relation to Head:Wife

Gender:Female

Birth Place:Chelsea

Civil Parish:Greenwich

County/Island:London

Country:England
Street Address:17 Coltman St, Greenwich S E

Marital Status:Married
Years Married:18

Estimated Marriage Year:1893

Registration District:Greenwich

Registration District Number:28
Sub-registration District:Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel:1
Piece:2669

Household Members:

Annie Elphick 39
William Elphick 17
Annie Elphick 15
Joseph Elphick 13
Edward Elphick 11
James Elphick 8
Jennie Elphick


Can't see why one child would be sent away when the others are at home? The husband is on ship, a fireman

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Aug 2013 10:04

That seems to support the idea that one of William & Annie's deceased children was the George Elphick who died in 1907, and that therefore Patricia has got the wrong birth for "her" George.