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Sarah Barber Children Query Devon

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BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Aug 2013 15:33

So this marriage,



Name: Robert Barber
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Mary Drake
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 01 Aug 1772
Event Place: Loddon, Norfolk, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03980-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1596156
Reference ID: Item 8 p 24

Joyce

Joyce Report 29 Aug 2013 15:13

Sarah Barber parents I was told was Robert Barber and Mary Drake

William Mc Dowell could be Dowell b 1766 clones monaghan ireland

who is my 4th great grandfather so no drakes on my side as a relation gave me this info from ancestry I think ill give this up as its getting to confusing

Thanks for your help

joyce

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Aug 2013 14:48

Query over mothers maiden name again!



Name: James Drake Dowell
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Aug 1789
Christening Place: SIDBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: James Dowell
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Joanna Hooke
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05166-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 916934
Reference ID:

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Aug 2013 14:46

Looks likely that the Drake name came from the Dowelll side,



Name: James Dowell
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Joanna Davey
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 23 Jul 1788
Event Place: Sidbury,Devon,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05166-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 916934


A child for them,


Name: Wilmot Drake Dowel
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Jun 1799
Christening Place: TALATON,DEVON,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: James Dowel
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Joanna
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05358-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 917537
Reference ID:

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Aug 2013 14:36

If you look at the names Davies and Pavier you'll see that they could very easily be confused...... I think Davies has been mistranscribed and I would imagine if you were to look at the Parish record you would most than ,likely see it as Pavier, sometimes when you know what a name should be it is lots easier to decipher.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Aug 2013 14:25

I see there is a possible birth in 1780 for Sarah Paviour and it looks like she was illegitimate as it just names her mother; Sarah Paviour. Then I came across this,

Name: William Baker
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Sarah Pavior
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 10 Jan 1785
Event Place: Tiverton,Devon,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05172-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number:

I wonder if Baber/ Barber was meant to be Baker, her stepfather s name?? Just to confuse more??

Drake could be William Dowells mothers maiden name or even a maiden name from further generations back?? My own ancestors named their children with Bate in their name from the maiden name of the great grandmother.........Bate was a Noble name from the area and maybe carried a "punch" with it.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Aug 2013 13:37

Barber / Baber/ Paver/ Pavier could be just different spellings or interpretations of the same name (whatever it was!).
Spelling wasn't standardised in those days - it could depend on what the clerk thought the name sounded like.

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Aug 2013 13:31

?????


Groom's Surname:Dowell

Groom's Forename:William

Bride's Surname:Paver

Bride's Forename:Sarah

Year:1790

Month:Jan

Day:6

Parish:Otterton

Town Or City:

County:Devon

Entry No.:

Notes:

Record source:Devon Marriages - Transcripts
Find out more

Data provider:Devon Family History Society

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Aug 2013 13:30

Hello, Joyce -

What someone puts on their tree is not necessarily correct.
The tree owner hasn't said where they got the information from.

The christening record posted by AnnCardiff is an official record, but it might be that James Pavier Dowell belongs to a different family of Dowells from yours.

The tree owner might have confused two familes, and thought they were just one.
So far, we haven't found any proof of anything!

May I ask, where did you get the name Barber from? Have you found an official record, or maybe gravestone?

Joyce

Joyce Report 29 Aug 2013 13:15

Ann & Argyllgran
Thank you both for confusing me more I am not a member of ancestry so how do this pavier and davies come from did she marry
again

Thanks for your help

joyce

:-S

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Aug 2013 11:34

Hmm - yes, the tree has conflicting information.

If you search All Categories (on Ancestry) for (say) Henry Drake Dowell, there's a result which says his parents were William Dowell and Sarah Davies.
But when you open the tree, it gives her name as Pavier.

The only verification given is for some of the deaths.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 29 Aug 2013 11:08

the wife's maiden name is Davies though

Name: James Pavier Dowell
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Apr 1795
Christening Place: SIDBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Willm Dowell
Mother's Name: Sarah Davies
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05166-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 916934

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Aug 2013 11:04

There's a tree on Ancestry which gives Sarah's surname as Pavier.
No mention of Drake except in the children's names, which you've stated.

It also lists a fifth child, James Pavier Dowell, 1795-1871

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 29 Aug 2013 11:03

perhaps Drake was the maiden name of the mother of William or Sarah?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 29 Aug 2013 11:02

Ann Drake Dowell
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 30 November 1797 SIDBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND
father:William Dowell
mother:Sarah Baber

Mary Dowel
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 9 November 1790 SIDBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND
father:William Dowel
mother:Sarah

Henry Drake Dowell
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 17 July 1799 SIDBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND
father:Wm Dowell
mother:Sarah

Willm Dowell
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 9 April 1792 SIDBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND
father:Willm Dowell
mother:Sarah

Joyce

Joyce Report 29 Aug 2013 10:50

Sarah Barber married william dowell 1790 sidbury devon they had four children mary b 1790 william b 1792 ann drake dowell b1797 henry drake b1799

Was she married before as I am confused with this drake name


joyce :-S