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finding a bad boy help please

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helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 16:16

HI
Jeremiah YORK b1828 lambeth london was a bit of a bad boy. july 1848 convicted of assault with his cousin James but now have found another article 23 april 1848 jeremiah and thomas York assault.
he was also convicted twice in 1855. can anyone help me find out the details of these crimes especially the one with thomas i found the article in the british newspapers here on GR but nothing else :-( can anyone help please i would so love to know more about this naughty chap!!! many thanks Helen

Gins

Gins Report 3 Sep 2013 16:21


England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892



Name:Jeremiah York

Date of Trial:8 Jan 1855

Trial Year:1855

Location of Trial:Middlesex, England

Sentence:
Imprisonment <<Simple Larceny



England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

Name:Jeremiah York

Date of Trial:13 Aug 1855

Trial Year:1855

Location of Trial:Middlesex, England

Sentence:Imprisonment

Same crime

helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 16:41

thanks Gins bit confused by 'same crime' at the bottom of the page? or does this refer to the fact they were both larcency? 1st one he got 4mths and 2nd he got 12 mths. the 2 1848 ones were assault?? can't see him on a census after 1861 when he is living in Southwark with his wife Ann and 4 children or a death date :-( thanks for your help!!!

Stuart

Stuart Report 3 Sep 2013 17:09

Can you post that 1861 census please - the only Jeremiah I'm picking up is in Shoreditch with wife Caroline and 4 kids

helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 17:15

Stuart that jeremiah is his cousin!!! will try and find the census ref

Gins

Gins Report 3 Sep 2013 17:19

Yes Helen, same crime as the first one I posted

helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 17:21

RG9/319 Napoleon Place Bermondsey Southwark
looks like occupation says 'fireman' is that likely?

Choccy

Choccy Report 3 Sep 2013 17:21


mis-transcribed on FMP ??

1861

RG number: RG09
Piece: 319
Folio: 138
Page: 58
Reg. District: Bermondsey
Sub District: 1 St James
Parish: Bermondsey
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch
City/Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: 1, Napoleon Place, Bermondsey, Southwark
County: London, Surrey

MARK, Jeremiah Head Married M 32 1829 Fireman
Lambeth, Surrey
MARK, Ann Wife Married F 33 1828
Shoreditch, Middlesex
MARK, George Son Unmarried M 8 1853 Scholar
Camberwell, Surrey
MARK, ... Son M 6 1855
Woolwich, Kent
MARK, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1851
Woolwich, Kent
MARK, Eliza Son F 3 1858
Woolwich, Kent

helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 17:23

oooh choccy that's a bad mistranscription!!! yes the right family is listed correctly on ancestry though i couldn't see it under jeremiah and searched for his son george. goodness knows how they got MArk out of that???????? should have gone to specsavers lol

Stuart

Stuart Report 3 Sep 2013 17:35

I can tell it's York, but I can see from the original how someone could possibly make it Mark. Have put in an amendment to FMP

Mary

Mary Report 3 Sep 2013 18:25

Can't find any of them 1871/81.
George 1852-1900 married 26/1/1885 so they must have been about.

Mistranscription again I prossume!!

Maryb.

Gins

Gins Report 3 Sep 2013 18:34

Did his wife die before 1871



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name:Ann York

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1828

Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1866

Age at Death:38

Registration District:Bermondsey

Inferred County:London

Volume:1d

Page:52

Mary

Mary Report 3 Sep 2013 18:43

Thomas Henry York @ 1855 Woolwich kent married 3/10/1881 of 9 Dale street.
Married Jane turner her dad George William Turner deceased.
His dad Jeremiah York a fireman does not say deceased!

Married St marks Church Walworth.

Maryb.

helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 19:09

@Mary Jane must be a cousin as his mother was a turner before marriage!! thanks also for Georges marriage i didn't have that!

thanks for the death Gins this def could be her! i have a poss death for the youngest child Eliza b1857 died March 1861 lambeth 1d 251
no sign of the eldest child Elizabeth Ann b 1850 shoreditch post 1861 either maybe she married and dad is with her.......

Mary

Mary Report 3 Sep 2013 19:13

George married in Bermondsey to Harriet Wallineer she died 1901.
On marriage record it says George is a Leather dresser and Jeremiah York a sailor.
I wonder if he was fireman on a boat.

Maryb.

Choccy

Choccy Report 3 Sep 2013 19:14


son George's marriage - Jeremiah York is a Sailor (perhaps why not on census returns if at sea)


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: George York

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853

Age: 32

Spouse Name: Harriet Wallineer

Spouse Age: 23

Record Type: Marriage

Event Date: 26 Jan 1885

Parish: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene

Borough: Southwark

Father Name: Jeremiah York

Spouse Father Name: David Thomas Wallineer






alviegal

alviegal Report 3 Sep 2013 19:21

George in 1881? He was a leather dresser when he married. Witnesses were George and Emma Pritchard.


1881 census transcription details for: 21, Parker Row, Bermondsey
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 564
Folio: 73
Page: 5
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: St James Bermondsey
Parish: Bermondsey
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 21, Parker Row, Bermondsey
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
EASTON, Joseph Head Married M 54 1827 Cooper
Bermondsey, Surrey
EASTON, Mary Married F 63 1818
Guildford, Surrey
PRITCHARD, William Grand Son Single M 22 1859 Dyer
Bermondsey, Surrey
PRITCHARD, Benjamin Grand Son Single M 18 1863 Dyer Apprentice
Leeds, Yorkshire
KNOTT, Emily Grand Daughter Single F 16 1865 Machinist Und
Bermondsey, Surrey
YORK, George Boarder Single M 28 1853 Dyer
Bermondsey, Surrey



1871 census transcription details for: George Row, St Mary Magdalen, Southwark
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 633
Folio: 85
Page: 2
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: St James
Parish: St Mary Magdalen
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: George Row, St Mary Magdalen, Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DUKES, Robert Head M 60 1811 Ireland
DUKES, Mary Wife F 56 1815 Surrey
PRITCHARD, George Step-Son M 18 1853 Surrey
PRITCHARD, Emma Step-Daughter F 16 1855 Surrey
PRITCHARD, Benjamin Grandson M 7 1864 Yorkshire
YORK, George Lodger M 18 1853 Surrey
HUTCHINGS, Susan Lodger F 13 1858 Surrey

helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 19:31

wow thanks for this lovely info!!! mmmmmm am wondering if sailor is a red herring and he's in jail again?? or transported???

helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 19:37

Alviegal wow well done looks like you found him!!!

helenhedgehog

helenhedgehog Report 3 Sep 2013 19:45

1891 george is a fishmonger........ and has 2 children rosa 3 and joseph 8 mths wonder what happened to the children as within 10yrs both their parents were dead :-( (1891 ref RG12 / 378)