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Elizabeth Crossley c1878

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sharonj1970

sharonj1970 Report 4 Sep 2013 06:57

I am looking for information regarding ancestors of my great grandmother. She married Christopher Penny in 1902 and I think her parents names were Robert and Jane. Can anyone help with information regarding her parents? Thanks

Choccy

Choccy Report 4 Sep 2013 07:33


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name: Elizabeth Martha Crossley

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881

Age: 21

Spouse Name: Christopher Penny

Spouse Age: 24

Record Type: Marriage

Event Date: 25 Dec 1903

Parish: Finsbury St Luke

Borough: Islington

Father Name: Joseph William Crossley (Packer)

Spouse Father Name: William Harold Penny

Register Type: Parish Register


Choccy

Choccy Report 4 Sep 2013 07:37


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name: Elizabeth Martha Crossley

Record Type: Baptism

Baptism Date: 15 Feb 1880

Father's Name: Joseph Crossley

Mother's Name: Susan Crossley

Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John

Borough: Hackney

Register Type: Parish Registers

(born 18th January 1880)

Choccy

Choccy Report 4 Sep 2013 07:53


this looks to be Joseph and Susan using the surname HUTTON !?

1881

National Archive Reference: RG number RG11

Piece: 365
Folio: 66
Page: 27
Reg. District: Holborn
Sub District: Whitecross Street
Parish: St Luke
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, White Horse Court, St Luke
County: London, Middlesex


PALMER, Thomas Head Married M 60 1821 St Lukes, Middlesex
PALMER, Ann Wife Married F 62 1819 French Polisher St Lukes, Middlesex
TAYLOR, Sarah Grand Daughter Single F 6 1875 St Lukes, Middlesex
GUNN, James Head Married M 28 1853 Lab (Gen) Brighton, Sussex
GUNN, Sophia Wife Married F 25 1856 Board Liner London, Middlesex
GUNN, James Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar London, Middlesex
GUNN, William Son Single M 2 1879 London, Middlesex
GUNN, Infant Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Lukes, Middlesex
MEDHURST, Charles Head Married M 25 1856 Horse Hair Carder Cripplegate, Middlesex
MEDHURST, Phoebe Wife Married F 28 1853 Upholstress St Lukes, Middlesex
MEDHURST, Caroline Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Lukes, Middlesex
>>>>>HUTTON, Joseph Head Married M 33 1848 Worsted Winder St Lukes, Middlesex
>>>>>HUTTON, Susan Wife Married F 36 1845 Cloth Winder St Lukes, Middlesex
>>>>>HUTTON, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Lukes, Middlesex
BAKER, Martha Mother In Law Widow F 68 1813 Worsted Winder Bow, Middlesex
TRING, George Head Married M 24 1857 Butcher St Lukes, Middlesex
TRING, Julia Wife Married F 23 1858 St Lukes, Middlesex
TRING, Ann Daughter Single F 6 1875 St Lukes, Middlesex
TRING, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 4 1877 St Lukes, Middlesex
TRING, George Son Single M 2 1879 St Lukes, Middlesex
TRING, Julia Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Lukes, Middlesex
DOREAN, Ellen Head Widow F 36 1845 Feather Worker Ireland
DOREAN, Dennis Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar St Lukes, Middlesex
DOREAN, Thomas Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar St Lukes, Middlesex


baptism of daughter Mary - address same as 1881 census - 8 White Horse Court


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Mary Ann Emily Crossly

Record Type: Baptism

Baptism Date: 1 Jan 1882

Father's Name: Joseph Crossly

Mother's Name: Susan Crossly

Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St Paul

Borough: Islington

Register Type: Parish Registers



1891

RG number: RG12
Piece: 233
Folio: 54
Page: 51
Reg. District: Holborn
Sub District: Whitecross Street
Parish: St Luke
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Luke
City/Municipal Borough: London
Address: 5, Belward Avenue, St Luke, London
County: London


HUTTON, Joseph Head Married M 44 1847 Cloth Worker
St Luke Old Street, London
HUTTON, Susan Wife Married F 49 1842 Wool Winder
St Luke Old Street, London
HUTTON, Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
St Luke Old Street, London
HUTTON, Mary Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
St Luke Old Street, London
HUTTON, Sarah Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
St Luke Old Street, London

Choccy

Choccy Report 4 Sep 2013 07:55



1901

RG number: RG13
Piece: 260
Folio: 99
Page: 32
Reg. District: Holborn
Sub District: Finsbury
Parish: St Luke
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 21, O Block Peabodys Building, St Luke, London
County: London


HUTTON, Joseph W Head Married M 53 1848 Packer
St Luke, London
HUTTON, Susan Wife Married F 58 1843 Woolwinder
St Luke, London
>>>>>HUTTON, Elizebeth Daughter Single F 21 1880 Card Board Box Maker
St Luke, London
HUTTON, Mary Daughter Single F 19 1882 Card Board Box Maker
St Luke, London
HUTTON, Sarah Daughter Single F 17 1884 Card Board Box Maker
St Luke, London

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2013 11:10

Marriage same district as Elizabeth's baptism.

Name: Joseph William Crossley, Bachelor, Clerk
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Susan Rachel Bacon, Spinster
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Dec 1878
Parish: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Joseph William Crossley, Brush Maker
Spouse Father Name: John Bacon, Cabinet Maker
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: John Culver & Phebe Miller

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2013 11:16

A tree on Ancestry has


Joseph William Crossley
Birth abt Jun 1848 in St Lukes RD, Middlesex
Death abt Dec 1916 in Islington, London


Susannah Rachel Bacon
Birth 30 Dec 1843 in St Luke, Middlesex
Death abt Dec 1913 in Islington, London

Same tree has Susan's father as William Bacon?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Sep 2013 11:23


Name: Joseph William Crossley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 May 1849
Father's Name: Joseph Crossley
Mother's Name: Sarah Crossley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

This one is interesting as on the image, Joseph's forenames are written Joseph William , then what looks like Hut, which has been crossed out. There's even what looks like the start of the upward stroke of the second 't' of 'Hutton', before the word is scored through.

Born 22nd Feb 1848. Address Bull Leas Court. Mother (?) a worsted ??????

EDIT: Also, on the image, father's name Joseph has been crossed out as well, though included in the transcription.

Maybe there's some issue as to whether Joseph William's parents were married or not?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2013 11:29

Name: Joseph William Crossley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 May 1849, b. 22 February 1849
Father's Name: Joseph Crossley, Worsted Worker
Mother's Name: Sarah Crossley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address lokks like Bull's Head (something) and father's name Joseph has been scored through on original


Births Jun 1848 Crossley Joseph William St Luke's 2 319

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Sep 2013 11:42

??????

Census 1851:

Address: 1, Chequer Square, Saint Luke, Finsbury County: Middlesex

HUTTON, Joseph Unmarried M 28 1823 Brush Maker Marylebone, Middlesex
CROWLEY, Sarah Widow F 28 1823 Cotton Winder
Newington
CROWLEY, Joseph Wm Son M 3 1848 St Luke, Middlesex

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2013 11:43

????
1861

Name: Sarah Hutton
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Hutton
Gender: Female
Where born: St Luke

Civil Parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: (Looks Like) 12 Long Buildings?

Occupation: Worsted Winder

Condition as to marriage:

View Image

Registration District: St Luke
Sub-registration District: Whitecross Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 129
Piece: 205
Folio: 69
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Hutton 43 Brush Maker
Sarah Hutton 42
Joseph Hutton 13

All born St. Luke

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Sep 2013 11:50

???

A little early, but born Marylebone in 1851 census:

Name: Joseph Hutton
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Sep 1821
Father's Name: William Hutton
Mother's Name: Mary Hutton
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 22nd Aug. Father a 'mech'

Two couples, William and Mary Hutton, and William Ames Hutton and Mary Hutton breeding in the Marylebone area at the same time (overlapping children)
Also a William nd Mary Ann, who might be either of the aforementioned couples!

There is this marriage, but not sure if it belongs to Joseph's parents:

Name: William Hutton
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Sumpter
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jul 1817
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses include Walter Sumpter and Martha Sumpter.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2013 12:03

Name: Susannah Rachel Bacon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1850, born 30 December 1843
Father's Name: William Bacon, Cabinet Maker
Mother's Name: Martha Bacon
Parish or Poor Law Union: Charterhouse St Thomas
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 7 North Place

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Sep 2013 12:41

Wondering about this marriage

Name: William Bacon
Spouse Name: Martha Crosley
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 27 May 1833
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Register

The witnesses Priscilla Crosley and Charles Coleclough marry a couple of years later with Martha Bacon as one of the witnesses

Name: Priscilla Crossley
Spouse Name: Charles Coleclough
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 20 Apr 1835
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Register

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Sep 2013 13:01

Sarah Crowley (Crossley?) was supposedly a widow in 1851 census (but was that a face saver?) and born Newington, Surrey, which had changed to St Lukes by 1861.

sharonj1970

sharonj1970 Report 5 Sep 2013 16:33

Thanks for all the information. Lots of checking now I think :-D :-D

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 6 Sep 2013 00:30

Despite saying she was a widow in 1851 (so as not to admit to the shame of being an unwed mother?), there is this baptism for a Sarah Crosley in Newington, the birthplace given by Sarah in the 1851:

Name: Sarah Crosley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Nov 1822
Father's Name: Robert Crosley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Crosley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers
Father a cheesemonger.

Different area, and no father's occupation given.


Name: Martha Crossley
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1812
Parish: St Mary, Stratford Bow
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Parent(s): Robert Crossley,
Elizabeth Crossley
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

Any chance that Martha Crosley Bacon and Sarah Crossley aka Hutton were sisters, making Elizabeth Martha Crossley's parents first cousins as well as husband and wife?

EDIT: Unfortunately I can't find a baptism for Priscilla Crosley, Martha's marriage witness .

So this is a bit nebulous at the moment.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 6 Sep 2013 00:46

1851 census for Priscilla's birthplace/year.

Doesn't help much, but note her occupation of cotton winder, same as for Sarah in 1851.


Address: 54, Brittannia Row, Islington, Finsbury County: Middlesex

COLECLOUGH, Charles Head Married M 40 1811 Shoe Maker
St Luke, Middlesex
COLECLOUGH, Priscilla Wife Married F 37 1814 Cotton Winder
Southgate, Middlesex<<<<<<<<<<<<<
COLECLOUGH, James Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Helper To Father
Islington, Middlesex
COLECLOUGH, Charles Son Unmarried M 8 1843 Scholar
Islington, Middlesex
COLECLOUGH, Thomas Son Unmarried M 7 1844 Scholar
Islington, Middlesex
COLECLOUGH, Robert Son Unmarried M 5 1846 Scholar
St Luke, Middlesex
COLECLOUGH, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 0 (6 MOS) 1851
Islington, Middlesex

1861 gives her birthplace as Surrey:

Address: 1, Elder Walk Coles Place, Islington County: London

COLECLOUGH, Charles Head Married M 52 1809 Shoe maker Middlesex
COLECLOUGH, Precilla Wife Married F 48 1813 Cotton Winder
Borden, Surrey<<<
COLECLOUGH, Thomas Son M 17 1844 Shoemaker
Middlesex
COLECLOUGH, George Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Middlesex
GARTON, Edward Lodger Married M 20 1841 Shoemaker
Middlesex