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Trying to find John Laurence b 1816, Marylebone

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Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 20:16

Trying to locate parents and date of birth of John Laurence
He appears on the 1851 London Census as John Laurence, age 35, son, born Marylebone, London, Bookbinder. (This would make his birth date abt 1816)
The head of the household is Sarah Apted, b Canterbury, Kent abt 1794.
I am assuming that Sarah Apted is his mother having been married previously to a ??????? Laurence.
Her second husband was a William Apted who she married in Marylebone, 18 Feb 1827.
Any help in finding John Laurence's actual date of birth and both parents would be welcome.

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 8 Sep 2013 20:30

just for ref as the spelling is Lawrence

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about William Apted
Name: William Apted
Spouse Name: Sarah Lawrence
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 18 Feb 1827
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Register


Andrew Report 8 Sep 2013 20:32


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Laurence

Name:John Laurence
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date2 Apr 1815
Father's Name:Joseph Laurence
Mother's Name:Sarah Augusta Laurence
Parish or Poor Law Union:St Pancras
Register Type:Parish Registers

EDIT No marriage is too early

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Joseph Lawrance
Name:Joseph Lawrance
Spouse Name:Sarah Augusta Ward
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:14 Jul 1799
Parish:St Pancras Parish Chapel
Register Type:Parish Register


Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 8 Sep 2013 20:33

There's several possibles

Stuart, have you found a marriage for John ?


Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 20:35

Hi Ramblingrose,
I guess the 1851 census which shows him as John Laurence could be a transcription error ??



Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 20:39

I did find a possible spouse in the 1841 census which shows a Caroline Laurence age 20 and a William Laurence age 7 months.
Disi not find a marriage


AnnCardiff Report 8 Sep 2013 20:40


Name: John Pinto Lawrence
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Aug 1815
Birth Date: 07 Jun 1815
Father's Name: John Lawrence
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-6
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 580908, 580909, 580910


Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 20:47

have just seen two other possible marriages
John Lawrence marries Caroline Cavell, 10 July 1838, Marylebone
Father Richd Lawrence, and John Cavel

Other possible John Lawrence marries Caroline New 9 Jan 1848, Marylebone
Father William Lawrence

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 8 Sep 2013 20:50

Not the marriage to Cavell that John is a linen draper

Nor the one to Caroline , that John is a labourer


Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 20:51

Hi Ann

Looks like a potential match. Not sure how the "Pinto" middle name fits into the grand scheme of things

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 8 Sep 2013 20:52

Stuart how did you get back to John?


Mary Report 8 Sep 2013 20:56

Maybe he was born to Sarah Lawrence unmarried ,he is a witness for his half sister Eliza Apted who married Denis Donegan 12/7/1857.

This one??
John Pinto Lawrence baptised St Marylebone 30/8/1815 by
John Lawrence (Gent) and Sarah lawrence



Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 20:59

Hi MaryB
Thanks for your message. I Have the marriage cert for Eliza Apted and Dennis Donegan which shows John Laurence as witness to his half sister Eliza Apted.

Edit note: Same thought is going through my mind too. Canterbury records are not as good as London and can't see a Sarah Laurence/Lawrence in their records


Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 21:09

Ann came up with that also. Looks like a potential match.
Is there a Marriage for John Lawrence (Gent) and Sarah ???????

That might give a maiden name for Sarah


Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 21:14


Thnaks for your input. Had seen that one but as you say marriage is too early


Stuart Report 8 Sep 2013 21:46

Hi All,

If it is any help I just found parish death record for Sarah Apted St Pancras
abt 3 Dec 1856, St Pancras Parish Chapel, Insane Ward.. Does not give any other information.


rootgatherer Report 8 Sep 2013 22:54

Burial is on deceasedonline

Burial Register summary

last name : Apted
first names : Sarah
Burial date :13 Dec 1857
Authority : London Borough of Camden
Location : St Pancras Cemetery (Camden)

Might be a communal grave as there are 15 other burials in the lair.


ChristinaS Report 9 Sep 2013 07:17

On the 1851 census, John Laurence is down as unmarried.

Do you know that he had children later on?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Sep 2013 08:39

Adds to say Burial Stuart refers to above, actually 1857 on image...(age 65)

Deaths Dec 1857 (>99%)
Apted Sarah Pancras 1b 94

Chris :)


Stuart Report 9 Sep 2013 10:44

Hi ChristinaS

Thanks for your message. He is a bit of a mystery to me. It is difficult to actually pinpoint who he is and where mainly because of the spelling of the surname, vis-a-vis Laurence vs Lawrence.