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William Mayers and Annie nee Murphy

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Guy

Guy Report 9 Sep 2013 12:53

Dare I ask again?
William b 1865 married Annie b 1863 at the Pontypool registry office on 9 June 1884 after which I can find no definitive record. He was then a collier like his dad.
No census records that I can find.
No death records.
No obvious entries as having emigrated in the "Travel" section on GR.
The Regimental & service records show 5 entries, none very conclusive.
It would be good to have some advice as to how I track them down

GUy Mayers

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Sep 2013 13:18

Guy, for our ref. is this William?


1871 census transcription details for: Gwent Street, Trevethin, Pontypool
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 5331
Folio: 66
Page: 5
Reg. District: Pontypool
Sub District: Pontypool
Parish: Trevethin
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Gwent Street, Trevethin, Pontypool
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MAYERS, William Head M 34 1837 Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Mary Wife F 30 1841 Monmouthshire
MAYERS, John Son M 12 1859 Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Thomas Son M 9 1862 Monmouthshire
>.MAYERS, William Son M 6 1865 Monmouthshire
MAYERS, George Son M 3 1868 Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Joseph Son M 0 1871 Monmouthshire



1881 census transcription details for: Gwent Street, Trevethin With Pontypool
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5250
Folio: 81
Page: 18
Reg. District: Pontypool
Sub District: Pontypool
Parish: Trevethin with Pontypool
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Gwent Street, Trevethin With Pontypool
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
M MAYERS, ? Head Married M 45 1836 Coal Miner
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Mary Wife Married F 40 1841
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Thomas Son Single M 19 1862 Coal Miner
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
>>W MAYERS, ? Son Single M 16 1865 Coal Miner
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
MAYERS, George Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Joseph Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Martha Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Arthur Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
MAYERS, Alice Daughter Single F 0 1881
Pontypool, Monmouthshire


What about Annie, where was she born and What were her parents' names please?

Mike *

Mike * Report 9 Sep 2013 13:24

There is this in 1881

Head of house could be either W or M

same address

W Mayers
Age:16
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1865
Relation:Son
Father's Name:M Mayers
Mother's Name:Mary Mayers
Where born:Pontypool, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish:Trevethin
County/Island:Monmouthshire
Street Address:Gwent Street


M Mayers 45
Mary Mayers 40
Thomas Mayers 19
W Mayers 16
George Mayers 13
Joseph Mayers 11
Martha Mayers 8
Arthur Mayers 4
Alice Mayers

Mike *

Mike * Report 9 Sep 2013 13:27

Ah, I see same info has been added later

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Sep 2013 13:40

a tree on ancestry has them having a daughter gertrude alice Mayer in 1885 in pontypool married 1908 to alfred pinchen. Down as gertude Thomas mother Annie Thomas

1901

1901 Wales Census about Annie Thomas
Name: Annie Thomas
Age in 1901: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: Crindau All Saints
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 21
Piece: 4960
Folio: 73
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas 42
Annie Thomas 37
Gertie Thomas 15
Daney J Thomas 5
James Thomas 3

I do not know how accurate this is
Maddie

Choccy

Choccy Report 9 Sep 2013 13:41


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Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
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Mayers Annie Newport, M. 11a 352


Thomas John Newport, M. 11a 352


1901

RG number: RG13
Piece: 4960
Folio: 73
Page: 4
Reg. District: Newport
Sub District: Newport
Parish: Newport
Enum. District: 37
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints Crindan
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Edwin Street, Newport
County: Monmouthshire


THOMAS, John Head Married M 42 1859 Iron Worker Puddler
Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire
THOMAS, Annie Wife Married F 37 1864
Bristol, Somersetshire
THOMAS, Gertie Daughter Single F 15 1886
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
THOMAS, Davey J Son Single M 5 1896
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
THOMAS, James Son Single M 3 1898
Pontypool, Monmouthshire


Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Sep 2013 13:41

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istration event: Marriage
View the original image

Name: MAYERS, Annie

Registration district: [?] Newport (Monmouthshire)

County: Monmouthshire

Year of registration: 1894

Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 11A

Page no: [?] 352
MarriageFinder™: [?] Annie Mayers married one of the following people Record
THOMAS, John VIEW
THOMAS, William James VIEW

THOMAS, Elizabeth Harriett

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Sep 2013 13:45

1911
THOMAS, John Head Married M 52 1859 General Labourer Ebbw Vale Mon VIEW
THOMAS, Annie Wife Married18 years F 48 1863 Bristol Somt VIEW
THOMAS, David Son Single M 16 1895 Errand Boy Pontypool Mon VIEW
THOMAS, James Son Single M 14 1897 School Pontypool Mon VIEW
THOMAS, Ethel Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Newport Mon VIEW
MURPHY, James Boarder Widower M 45 1866 Coster Pontypool Mon VIEW
PINCHEN, Alfred Son In Law Married M 28 1883 Labourer Steel Sheet Miler Frome Somt VIEW
PINCHEN, Gertrude Stepdaughter Married3 years F 26 1885 Pontypool Mon VIEW
PINCHEN, William Grandson Single M 3 1908 Newport Mon VIEW
PINCHEN, Fredrick Grandson Single M 1 1910 Newport Mon VIEW


RG number: RG14

Piece: 31989

Reference: RG14PN31989 RG78PN1840 RD587 SD2 ED30 SN345

Registration District: Newport

Sub District: Newport

Enumeration District: 30

Parish: Newport

Address: 1 Llanvair Road Newport Mon:

County: Monmouthshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Sep 2013 00:14

Message from Guy.

Yes, there are several William' Mayers's but you have the right one in the 1871 census. Annie was the daughter of Cornelius Murphy and the marriage cert shows her as 21 i.e born 1863 but I haven't chased her birth cert.
Any ideas as to what happened to this couple?


I can't find an Annie Murphy born Bristol with Cornelius as father. I did wonder at this though. Also living in Trevithen.


1871 census transcription details for: High Street, Pontypool


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 5331
Folio: 96
Page: 52
Reg. District: Pontypool
Sub District: Pontypool
Parish: Pontypool
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Pontypool
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MURPHY, Cornelus Head M 34 1837 forgeman Ireland
MURPHY, Hannah Wife F 34 1837 Newport, Ireland
MURPHY, Mary Ann Daughter F 13 1858 Monmouthshire
MURPHY, Kate Daughter F 11 1860 Monmouthshire
>>MURPHY, Hannah Daughter F 9 1862 Monmouthshire
MURPHY, James Son M 7 1864 Monmouthshire
MURPHY, Edwin Son M 2 1869 Monmouthshire



1861 Wales Census about Comelins Murphy
Name: Comelins Murphy
[Cornelius Murphy]
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Murphy
Gender: Male
Where born: Cork, Ireland

Civil Parish or Township: Newport St Woollos
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales


Registration District: Newport
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household Schedule Number: 70C
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4019
Folio: 28
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Comelins Murphy mason's labourer 27
Ann Murphy 27 b Newport, Ireland
Mary Ann Murphy 4
Kate Murphy 2


Perhaps you could tell us what Cornelius' occupation was on the MC please?

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Sep 2013 10:17

Guy

Please add all feedback on here....................use the box entitled 'add your reply'

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Sep 2013 10:21

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
Mayers Gertrude Alice Pontypool 11a 124

Guy

Guy Report 10 Sep 2013 23:47

Thanks to all your help we have William & Annie married 9 Jun 1884, followed by birth of Gertrude Alice in 1895. Then a blank for 9 years with the presumed but unproven death of William. Annie then marries John Thomas in Spring 1894 and Davey is born in 1896 and brother James in 1898 followed by latecomer Ethel in 1905 when Annie was already around 40!
Gertrude married Alfred Pinchem and by 1911 had had two sons William & Fred.

It would be good to nail what happened to William - any ideas? In those days divorce was surely just not an option and for Annie to remarry her first husband would have to have died - wouldn't he? What evidence could Annie have produced if we cannot now find any?

Annie' and William were both living in Sow Hill Pontypool at the time of their marriage when her father Cornelius was shown as a collier.

Guy M