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Lucy Knott

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Rosamond

Rosamond Report 16 Sep 2013 20:51

Hello MGNV,
Thank you so much for all the interesting info. I shall look more at it later. My grandfather was Ernest 5th son of Henry and Elizabeth Knott. But I knew so little, until I asked on here. So I m very grateful for everyones help.
Kindest Regards
Rosamond

mgnv

mgnv Report 16 Sep 2013 18:59

Using http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1878 KNOTT Henry F Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/18/385
1879 KNOTT Sarah Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/19/294
1882 KNOTT Alfred T Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/20/362
1884 KNOTT Lucy Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/21/441
1886 KNOTT Arthur J Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/23/49
1889 KNOTT Albert E Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/24/152
1891 KNOTT George Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/25/154
1891 KNOTT Jim Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/25/155
1892 KNOTT Ernest Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/25/437
1894 KNOTT Catherine E Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/26/272
1895 KNOTT Frederick W Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/27/146
1897 KNOTT William V Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/27/463
1898 KNOTT (girl) Corsham History Centre GIBBONS COR/28/208
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1905 KNOTT Elsie M Corsham History Centre CARPENTER COR/31/188
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1905 KNOTT Ivy E Corsham History Centre PIMMONS COR/31/123
1907 KNOTT Cicely E Corsham History Centre SIMMONS COR/32/165
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1910 KNOTT Daisy Corsham History Centre SKUSE COR/33/103
1911 KNOTT Ruth Corsham History Centre SKUSE COR/33/306
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1908 HEMMINGS Jack Corsham History Centre KNOTT COR/32/342
1910 HEMMINGS Frances M Corsham History Centre KNOTT COR/33/64

Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
KNOTT Henry J GIBBONS Elizabeth Neston, SS Philip and James History Centre C50/1/35

Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
1903 KNOTT Henry F SIMMONS Charlotte E K Chippenham Register Office or Registrar Attended History Centre RO/10/115
1905 KNOTT Alfred T CARPENTER Mary J Chippenham Register Office or Registrar Attended History Centre RO/11/17
1907 KNOTT Sarah HEMMINGS Arthur Corsham, St Bartholomew History Centre C21/2/481
1910 KNOTT Albert E SKUSE Fanny Hankerton, Holy Cross History Centre C35/1/159
1917 KNOTT Catherine E COX Oliver G Corsham, St Bartholomew History Centre C21/3/137
1918 KNOTT Frederick W DAVIS Gertrude Langley Burrell, St Peter History Centre C42/1/206


Wiltshire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
1891 KNOTT Jim 0 Corsham History Centre COR/15/12
1898 KNOTT (girl) 0 Corsham History Centre COR/16/306
1903 KNOTT William V 5 Corsham History Centre COR/17/313
1911 KNOTT Alfred T 29 Corsham History Centre COR/19/155




Much of the stuff that has been found can also be found (often with images) at
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES



1930
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XCJS-1RQ
Affiliate Publication Number: T626
Affiliate Film Number: 221
GS Film number: 2339956
Digital Folder Number: 004532368
Image Number: 01004

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XCJ3-9TB
Affiliate Publication Number: T626
Affiliate Film Number: 221
GS Film number: 2339956
Digital Folder Number: 004532368
Image Number: 01021

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XCJQ-78R
Affiliate Publication Number: T626
Affiliate Film Number: 221
GS Film number: 2339956
Digital Folder Number: 004532368
Image Number: 00967



1920
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MH4T-6HT
Affiliate Publication Number: T625
GS Film number: 1820150
Digital Folder Number: 004293856
Image Number: 00627

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MH3S-YYF
Affiliate Publication Number: T625
GS Film number: 1820088
Digital Folder Number: 004293688
Image Number: 00701


US 1940 at FS comes with a free image link.
For 1920-30 images, magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/californiacensus00reel221#page/n999/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/californiacensus00reel221#page/n1016/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/californiacensus00reel221#page/n962/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu150unit#page/n624/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu088unit#page/n699/mode/1up

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 19:22

Hi Rosamund, pleased the information has been useful. If you scroll up to my post timed 15 Sep 2013 12:39 and click on the link in that post it may help you re-establish contact.

Rosamond

Rosamond Report 15 Sep 2013 19:07

Thank you to everyone , who has helped me with my journey of discovery in to the mystery of Lucy Knott, My Great Auntie. Growing up I knew very little except she had married and emigrated to American Had a son and adopted a son, this adopted son accidently shot the real son. But Gt Aunt Lucy and her husband who I now know was Herbert Heasell, felt that John had gone through enough and brought him up as their own son. I often wonder just who were Johns real parentsd and the real story wnich brought about his adoption. I use to corrispond with John s wife Susan, but when she died, John stopped writing and I just assumed he had died. But it seems he could be still alive so now I shall look for him again. He is sort of a second cousin to me. I know a lot about Lucys sister who was killed by enemy bombing during the blitz on Bath, she and her husband Oliver Cox were killed by a direct hit on their house and they are buried wityh all the others who were killed that night, in Haycombe chemitory, Bath. Their two sons survived one was in the army and the other was under them.. Thank you also to MC and Flip for sorting out Sarah Knott for me this has put together the mystery of who Sarah married and I remembering visiting people called Hemmings in Atworth, I think his name was Wilf so I assume was a Wilfred..he had an amazing sense of humour I thought they were just friends of the faomily, but now I find they were mums cousins just need to find the linc back to Sarah and Arthur Hermmings. Anyway thank you all for your help.
Rosamond.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 14:08

Tidying up another loose end - Arthur and Lucy's sister was killed during WW2. This is from CWGC http://www.cwgc.org

COX, OLIVER GEORGE

Rank: Civilian
Date of Death: 26/04/1942
Age: 51
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority BATH, COUNTY BOROUGH

Additional Information:
of 200 The Hollow, Twerton Hill. Husband of Catherine Eliza Cox. Died at 200 The Hollow, Twerton Hill.
......................................................................................................................

COX, CATHERINE ELIZA

Rank: Civilian
Date of Death: 26/04/1942
Age: 49
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority BATH, COUNTY BOROUGH

Additional Information:
of 200 The Hollow, Twerton Hill. Wife of Oliver George Cox. At The Hollow, Twerton Hill.

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 14:07

I think that also confirms that baby Wilfred will have died, there is no sign of him on the census or later records - and if he had been adopted then his original birth record would have been "over-written"

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 13:49

I think they must have been a very big hearted family to keep John after what happened.

I found this link which seems to explain that an adopted child in California has an amended birth record so that explains why John's birth is apparently registered as Heasell (as originally found by Gins).
http://www.calopen.org/faq.shtml

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 13:44

That is a great find MC, I'm pretty sure you've nailed it. When will the American's learn guns are not good? That family must have been traumatised by such an event, it just doens't bear thinking about.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 13:34

I couldn't find a death for baby Wilfred but I think there may be a separate register.

This looks like the death of Herbert Knott jnr
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-26184-5586-44?cc=1932433&wc=14216747

Died 15 Nov 1936, age 15 so John was only 7 when the accident happened. Poor kids.

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 13:21

Just a week after the birth of Wilfred, so that looks very likely MC. Wonder what happened to the baby?

Checked for a birth for John White, with the same birth date as John William Heasell - but nothing, so wonder if they do in fact change the registration on adoption. Tried googling, but didn't come up with much to explain the proceedures.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 13:14

I think I've found the death of Elizabeth Knott (nee Bray)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-26181-13732-56?cc=1932433&wc=14216746

The death was 20 March 1921, age 35. Husband's initials A J.

The county code is 90 which = San Francisco, which is where they were on the 1920 census.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 12:39

This just doesn't make sense!

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
Name: John William Heasell
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1929
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Knott ???
Birth County: San Francisco

Is this John White??

EDIT: I don't know anything about Californian births and adoptions, could his birth record be amended to reflect the adoption?

I also think this man is still alive as there are possible telephone/address listings.
http://radaris.com/p/John/Heasell/

He appears to have married a Susan in 1976.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 12:36

Sorry for jumping about but wanted to tidy up the family first asked about.

It looks like John White took the name Heasell in later years:

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Lucy Heasell
Name: Lucy Heasell
Gender: Female
Residence Year: 1947
Street Address: 1520 14th
Residence Place: Santa Rosa, California
Spouse: Herbt W Heasell
Publication Title: Santa Rosa, California, City Directory, 1947

At the same address is John W Heasell
.....................................................................................................

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Lucy Heasell
Name: Lucy Heasell
Gender: Female
Residence Year: 1953
Street Address: 520 14th
Residence Place: Santa Rosa, California
Spouse: Herbert W Heasell
Publication Title: Santa Rosa, California, City Directory, 1953

On this one John W Heasell is listed as a carpenter.

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 12:30

His draft card said Carlo Dotti was his employer!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 12:21

1940 United States Federal Census about Arthur Knott

Name: Arthur Knott
Temporarily Absent: Yes ??
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Widowed <<<

Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Home in 1940: Santa Rosa, Sonoma, California
Street: Sebastopol Road
House Number: 5040
Inferred Residence in 1935: Bloomfield, Sonoma, California
Residence in 1935: Bloomfield, Sonoma, California
Resident on farm in 1935: Yes
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 5B

Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 6th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 26
Income: $180
Income Other Sources: No

Household Members:
Name Age
Carlo D Dotti 41 - Dairy farmer
Elizabeth Dotti 32
Angelo Dotti 10
Theresa Dotti 9
Isidor Dotti 8
Rosa Dotti 2
Arthur Knott 52

With the man named on his draft.

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 12:21

He's clearly with the other household, but I wonder if Winifred gave the details if they were not at home when the census man called?

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 12:14

Winifred Wallace
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1914
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Canada English
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: Contra Costa, California
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Inferred Residence in 1935: Berkeley, Alameda, California
Residence in 1935: Berkeley, Alameda, California
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Citizenship: Having First Papers
Sheet Number: 4B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Wallace 28
Winifred Wallace 26
Shirley Wallace 4

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Sep 2013 12:13

Flip - yes looked at the image but didn't notice the family below! Do you think Harold has been recorded as brother to the wrong family?

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 12:12

? the child with the Wallaces

Shirley Elizabeth Wallace
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1936
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Knott
Birth County: Alameda

Flip

Flip Report 15 Sep 2013 12:10

Did you look at the image MC? The next family listed are called Wallace, including Winifred, who's age fits and she states she is English/Canada - could just be a coincidence though.