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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Sep 2013 04:55

I would suspect that Alice Jane took responsibility for Josephine, possibly because she was better off than other relatives.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Sep 2013 04:51

Have you bought the birth certificate for Josephine L Tunstall to get the names of her parents??


Births Sep 1896 (>99%)

Tunstall Josephine Laura Highworth 5a 11


That should have been your first step.


According to 2 Public Family trees on ancestry, Jospehine Laura was the daughter of Joseph Thomas Roger Tunstall and Laura Agnes Cray

These trees also show that Laura Agnes Cray died in 1896 ................


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Laura Agnes Tunstall

Name: Laura Agnes Tunstall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1896
Age at Death: 22
Registration District: Highwood
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 5


Marriage of Laura Agnes and Joseph Tunstall


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Laura Agnes Cray

Name: Laura Agnes Cray
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1894
Registration District: Barton Regis
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 173
Records on Page:

Spouse Name: Joseph Thomas R Tunstall

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Sep 2013 04:43

Official legal adoption did not begin until 1927 ......... so you will not find any papers.

mgnv

mgnv Report 24 Sep 2013 19:08

"Did you know?
UK passenger lists do not record travel within Europe unless a ship called at more than one European port before travelling further afield."
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/passengers.htm

An example of these exceptions would be Cunard's habit post-WW1 of travelling between Southampton and New York with an interim stop at Le Havre.
Occassionally, one finds passengers travelling between Southanpton and Le Havre mixed in with the trans-atlantic voyagers.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Sep 2013 18:44

I'm now coming round to the idea that it could be the same woman ......

I'd guess she may have termed herself a widow as it may have been considered unseemly for a single woman to "adopt" a daughter.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 24 Sep 2013 16:13

1891

Name: Sidney A Cray
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Agnes M Cray
Gender: Male
Where born: Westbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Swindon
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Swindon
Town: Old Swindon
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Highworth
Sub-registration District: Swindon
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1582
Folio: 99
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Sidney A Cray 39
Agnes M Cray 38
Laura A Cray 16


Marriages Sep 1894
Cray Laura Agnes Barton R. 6a 173
Tunstall Joseph Thomas R Barton R. 6a 173


Deaths Sep 1896 Tunstall Laura Agnes 22 Highworth 5a 5

Marriages Jun 1904

Kite Florence Victoria Bristol 6a 27
Tunstall Joseph Thomas R Bristol 6a 27


1911

Name: Joseph Thomas Roger Tunstall
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Edgeware, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Swindon
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address: 46 Goddard Avenue, Swindon, Wilts
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Railway Clerk
Registration District: Swindon
Registration District Number: 240
Sub-registration District: Swindon
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household Schedule Number: 160
Piece: 11804
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Thomas Roger Tunstall 41
Florence Victoria Tunstall 28
Thomas Tunstall 6
Richard Tunstall 5
John Tunstall 3
Charles Tunstall 1



Name: Sydney A Cray
Birth Date: abt 1850
Date of Registration: Dec 1929
Age at Death: 79
Registration District: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 161


Name: Agnes M Cray
Birth Date: abt 1852
Date of Registration: Jun 1920
Age at Death: 68
Registration District: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 232

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 24 Sep 2013 15:53

Births Sep 1896 Tunstall Josephine Laura Highworth 5a 11

1911

Name: Josephine Laura Tunstall
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Grandchild
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Swindon, Wiltshire
Civil Parish: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 372 Gloucester Road, Horfield, Bristol
Registration District: Bristol
Registration District Number: 319
Sub-registration District: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Household Schedule Number: 99
Piece: 15088
Household Members:
Name Age
Sidney Alban Cray 60
Agnes Mary Cray 59
Josephine Laura Tunstall 14


1901

Name: Josephine L Tunstall
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Swindon, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishopston St Michael and All Angels
Town: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Bristol
Sub-registration District: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 310
Piece: 2398
Folio: 127
Page Number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Sidney A Cray 50
Agnes M Cray 49
Josephine L Tunstall 4
Joseph Gough 70 Father-in-law


Unlikely that there would be any paperwork for adoption at that time. looks like Josephine the "adopted" daughter was actually her Grand Neice, if the census relationship of Grand daughter to alice's sister Agnes is the correct relationship on the 1901 and 1911 census.

Maria

Maria Report 24 Sep 2013 15:39

I have the will of Alice Jane Gough who left her estate to her 'Adopted' (although no official papers have been found) daughter - Josephine Laura Tunstall (my grandmother). As you suggest she may have adopted the title of "Mrs" for appearances.

Alice apparently bought the estate with money that she had as a result of being in Paris and buying and selling shares.

I am trying to find out more about her life whilst she was in Paris to try and piece things together. I do have an old address book of hers with french addresses but none relating to her.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 24 Sep 2013 00:17

And/or her death cert.

Deaths Sep 1920 GOUGH Alice J 60 Hendon 3a 249

Harrow is in Hendon registration district at this time.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 23 Sep 2013 23:44

I would have doubts as to credibility of the status "widow" on the 1911 census. Year of birth and birthplace match the Alice Jane Gough that you are looking for. Perhaps she adopted the title of "Mrs" for appearances. Personally, I would buy a copy of that will to checkout the beneficiaries of such a fairly large estate.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2013 22:05

Although after saying that maybe she did marry a Gough after all.

1911 England Census
Name: Alice Jane Gough
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Harrow on the Hill
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Hollywood House, Roxborough Avenue, Harrow On The Hill
Marital Status: Widowed <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: Private Means
Registration District: Hendon
Registration District Number: 130
Sub-registration District: Harrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 369
Piece: 7075
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Jane Gough 51
Emilie Weekes 47 - Cook
Dorothy Wall 17 - Parlour Maid

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2013 22:01

I'm not sure which thread to post on now, but most answers are on this one.


I have my doubts about that Alice J Gough death myself. She was supposed to have married. So unless she married a Gough that's not her.

1861, just to show Agnes with the family.

1861 England Census
Name: Alice Gough
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Gough
Mother's Name: Ann Gough
Gender: Female
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Town: Trowbridge
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Melksham
Sub-registration District: Trowbridge
Piece: 1295
Folio: 110
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Gough 33
Ann Gough 33
Agnes Gough 9
John H Gough 7
Dorcas A Gough 5
Alice Gough 1

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Sep 2013 21:19

Travel between the UK and mainland Europe is not documented

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Sep 2013 18:35

this is that marriage
Marriages Dec 1879
Barnes Alice Jane Westbury W 5a 291
LANFEAR Frederick Westbury, W. 5a 291


so not Alice Gough

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Sep 2013 18:27

I may be wrong, but I have doubts that the widow and the girl from the 1871 are the same person.

Glitterbaby had posted this on the original thread:

13 Mar 2010 23:14
1891 but need to check around for a marriage ??

Name: Alice J Lanfear
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Frederick
Gender: Female
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Westbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Dilton Marsh
Town: Dilton Marsh
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:

Registration district: Westbury
Sub-registration district: Westbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Lanfear 37
Alice J Lanfear 34
Bessie Lanfear 9
Ernest Lanfear 5
.......................................................................................................................

This is the FindMyPast version to show occupations, it would fit with being a needlewoman on previous census

LANFEAR, Frederick Head Married M 37 1854 Pattern Weaver Westbury, Wiltshire
LANFEAR, Alice J Wife Married F 34 1857 Dress Maker Trowbridge, Wiltshire
LANFEAR, Bessie Daughter Single F 9 1882 Scholar Westbury, Wiltshire
LANFEAR, Ernest Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar Westbury, Wiltshire

Piece: 1608 Folio: 32 Page: 13
Registration District: Westbury
Civil Parish: Westbury

Address: Dilton Marsh, Westbury, Dilton Marsh County: Wiltshire
...................................................................................................

EDIT: Oh well, we can rule that one out!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Frederick Lanfear
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1879
Registration District: Westbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 291

Records on Page:
Name
Alice Jane Barnes
Frederick Lanfear

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Sep 2013 18:24

1891 England Census about Minnie A Gough
Name: Minnie A Gough
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Filton
Ecclesiastical parish: Filton
Town: Filton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Barton Regis
Sub-registration District: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1974
Folio: 78
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Shellard 47
Ellen Shellard 39
Edwin Shellard 17
Mary J Butler 20
John H Iles 19
Ellen P Boam 18
Minnie A Gough 21>>>>>>>
Elizabeth Selman 19

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1974; Folio: 78; Page: 10; GSU Roll: 6097084.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Sep 2013 18:21

theres no sister Agnes with them on the 1871 census

1871 England Census about Joseph Gough
Name: Joseph Gough
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Gough
Gender: Male
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Trowbridge
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Melksham
Sub-registration District: Trowbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 209
Piece: 1920
Folio: 21
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Gough 43
Ann Gough 43
John Hy Gough 17
Dorcas Ann Gough 15
Alice Jane Gough 11
Joseph E Gough 4
Minnie E Gough 1

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1920; Folio: 21; Page: 34; GSU roll: 830871.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Sep 2013 18:16

well her sister married Barton Regis so wonder about this one

Marriages Jun 1881
BADOCK Miriam Gertrude Barton R. 6a 297
Gough Alice Barton R 6a 297
Meissner Albert Ludwig Barton R. 6a 297
ROBINSON John Henry Barton R. 6a 297

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Sep 2013 18:02

her sister married
1881 England Census about Dorcas A. Toogood
Name: Dorcas A. Toogood
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Alfred J. Toogood
Gender: Female
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Horfield
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 53 Gloster Road
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Barton Regis
Sub-registration District: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2487
Folio: 92
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred J. Toogood 27
Dorcas A. Toogood 25

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2487; Folio: 92; Page: 7; GSU


Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
Gough Dorcas Ann Barton R. 6a 278
spouse TOOGOOD Alfred Josiah

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Sep 2013 18:01

You may already have this:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/32074/pages/9765/page.pdf

ADDED:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Alice Jane Gough
Probate Date: 7 Sep 1920
Death Date: 11 Jul 1920
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

Widow of Hollywood House, Roxborough Avenue, Harrow on the Hill. Probate to the Public Trustee. Effects £4618 17s 10d