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Pestell

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Wendy

Wendy Report 25 Sep 2013 20:56

Can anyone help me find any info on Dorothy Gertrude Pestell 03/10/1919 in Luton Please. She was adopted . Thank you Wendy :-)

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 21:05

England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about Dorothy G Pestell
Name: Dorothy G Pestell
Mother's Maiden Surname: Fensome
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration District: Luton
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 654

Birth gives mothers maiden name as Fensome.

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 21:08

Possible marriage for parents?

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
Fensome Lily M Pestell Luton 3b 1050
PESTELL Arthur B Fensome Luton 3b 1050

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 21:09

Possible siblings?

Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Pestell Arthur B Fensome Luton 3b 543 Scan available - click to view

Births Dec 1921 (>99%)
Pestell Frederick G Fensome Luton 3b 598 Scan available - click to view

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 21:10

But maybe you are looking to find out what happened to her after she was adopted?

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 21:12

Maybe relevant?

Deaths Jun 1947 (>99%)
Pestell Lily M 52 Luton 4a 149

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 21:16

Interesting:-

Marriages Mar 1939 (>99%)
Pestell Arthur B Neal Norwich 4b 359

not on same page

Marriages Mar 1939 (>99%)
Neal Elsie Pestell Norwich 4b 339


4 possible children to this marriage in 1939 1946 1948 and 1954 so maybe the marriage is for the Arthur B. Pestell,son of Arthur and Lily ?

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 21:26

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
Pestell Arthur Bertram Luton 3b 43_

2 possible births for mother:-

Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
Fensome Lily Maud Luton 3b 432
xxxxxxx Births Mar 1895 (>99%)
xxxxxxxx Fensome Lily May Luton 3b 433

......................but as she died in 1947 aged 52yrs the 1895 birth must be the correct one.

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 21:32

Possible she married under her birth name?

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Dorothy G Pestell
Name: Dorothy G Pestell
Spouse Surname: Terry
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1939
Registration District: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2771
Find Spouse: William G Terry


and this death would fit with the marriage?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Dorothy Gertrude Terry
Name: Dorothy Gertrude Terry
Birth Date: 3 Oct 1919
Date of Registration: Dec 2003
Age at Death: 84
Registration District: Fakenham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Register Number: 19B
District and Subdistrict: 635/1
Entry number: 15

..............and if you look at date of birth given on death record it is the same as your Dorothy Gertrude so must be correct, although to be absolutely sure you would need to buy the marriage certificate and her birth certificate to see if father's names are the same.

This death would fit:-

Arthur Bertram Pestell year mm 1979 city Norfolk

which would also take him to same area as his sister Dorothy.

Catherine

Catherine Report 25 Sep 2013 22:16

Sadly, other brother looks to have died when he was very young:-

Deaths Dec 1926 (>99%)
Pestell Frederick G 5 Luton 3b 422

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Sep 2013 22:22

Arthur's WW1 pension records confirm his wife as Lily May, they lived 42 Guildford Street, Luton.

He enlisted 1915, discharged medically unfit (problems with his appendix) in 1916.

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Arthur Pestell
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 4428
Regiment Name: Reserve 5th Bedfordshire Shire Regiment
Number of images: 9

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Sep 2013 22:27

I see there is still no response?

A bit more info:-

RODELL, Arthur Head Married10 years M 30 1881 Fish Labourer Bedfordshire Luton VIEW
RODELL, Gerva Kate Wife Married F 30 1881 Straw Hat Machinist Hertordshire Stevenage VIEW
RODELL, Arthur William Son M 8 1903 Bedfordshire Luton VIEW
RODELL, Kate Lilian Daughter F 5 1906 Bedfordshire Luton VIEW

FENSOME, Lily May Boarder Single F 16 1895 Straw Hat Finisher Bedfordshire Luton VIEW

RODELL, Rosie Annie Daughter F 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Bedfordshire Luton VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 9010 Reference: RG14PN9010 RG78PN479 RD178 SD2 ED17 SN101 Registration District: Luton Sub District: Luton Enumeration District: 17 Parish: Luton Address: 65 Hampton Road Luton Bedfordshire County: Bedfordshire

..................................................

1891 England Census about Arthur B Pestell
Name: Arthur B Pestell
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James A Pestell
Mother's Name: Ellen C Pestell
Gender: Male
Where born: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Luton
Sub-registration District: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1274
Folio: 25
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
James A Pestell 34
Ellen C Pestell 28
Eva Pestell 8
Carrie Pestell 6
Arthur B Pestell 4
Ernest Pestell 1
...................................

1901 England Census about Arthur Pedell
Name: Arthur Pedell
[Arthur Pestell]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Pedell
Mother's Name: Ellen Pedell
Gender: Male
Where born: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation
Registration District: Luton
Sub-registration District: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 35
Piece: 1515
Folio: 32
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pedell 44 - straw hat stiffener
Ellen Pedell 38
Eva Pedell 18
Caroline Pedell 16
Arthur Pedell 14 - M? Carrier
Ernest Pedell 11
Gertrude Pedell 9
Alice Pedell 7
Davis Pedell 4
...........................................

The family in 1911:-
PESTELL, James Arthur Head Married M 54 1857 Foreman Straw Hatter Surrey London VIEW
PESTELL, Ellen Charlotte Wife Married29 years F 48 1863 Luton Beds VIEW
PESTELL, Eva Daughter Single F 28 1883 Straw Hat Finisher Luton Beds VIEW
PESTELL, Ernest Son Single M 21 1890 Straw Hat Stiffener Luton Beds VIEW
PESTELL, Gertrude Daughter Single F 19 1892 Straw Hat Machinist Luton Beds VIEW
PESTELL, Alice May Daughter Single F 17 1894 Straw Hat Machinist Luton Beds VIEW
PESTELL, Doris Helen Daughter Single F 14 1897 Straw Hat Forewoman's Help Luton Beds VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 9017 Reference: RG14PN9017 RG78PN479 RD178 SD2 ED24 SN32 Registration District: Luton Sub District: Luton Enumeration District: 24 Parish: Luton Address: 63 Dallow Rds Luton Bedfordshire County: Bedfordshire

Arthur isn't with the family and ancestry links him to the 1911 Canadian census so maybe he was in Canada in 1911?

This may be him heading for Halifax, Canada:-

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Arthur Pestell
Name: Arthur Pestell
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 26 Mar 1911
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Ship Name: Scotian
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Scotian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Allan Line
Master: Thos Moan

Arthurs uncle (brother of his father James) moved with his family to Canada so maybe he was going to either visit or live with him?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Sep 2013 22:37

There is an Arthur Pestell of the right age in Canada:

1911 Census of Canada

Name: Arthur Pestell
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 23
Birth Date: Oct 1887
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Laborer
Immigration Year: 1911
Tribal: English
Province: Alberta
District: MacLeod
District Number: 3
Sub-District Number: 15

Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 34
Jussie Smith 41
George Smith 13
Stewart Smith 2
Wm White 33
Alexander Donaldson 30
Euphamia Donaldson 31
John Milligan 38
Sarah Milligan 35
Mary J Milligan 13
Myrtle Milligan 9
Henry Aray 24
Silvester Hibler 22
Archie Slade 20
Lionel Carpenter 45
Oran Ford 19
Richd James 35
Saml Robinson 23
Wm Beatty 25
Arthur Pestell 23 <<< Labourer
Fred Wake 48
John Larson 23
Henry West 25
Gue A Porchat 30

Wendy

Wendy Report 27 Sep 2013 09:02

thank you all so much for your replies. There is a lot of info there!!! We are trying to find out if Bro Albert was also adopted, poss why. We were unaware of the younger child. We have contacted Bernardos and they had no records for Dorothy. Albert's wedding (child) is very interesting. Will take some time to look at all this info Meanwhile thank you so much Wendy ..p.s Will get back to you as soon as I can

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Sep 2013 21:28

I had been looking for a death for Arthur B. Pestell but couldn't find anything. the nearest I have been able to find is this one:-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Arthur Pestell
Name: Arthur Pestell
Birth Date: abt 1887
Date of Registration: Dec 1950
Age at Death: 63
Registration District: Biggleswade
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 87

No proof that it is your man but ancestry also links this to him, so maybe?


By the way, brother was Arthur B. (same as his father) and not Albert.

Don't think you will find any online records that could tell you why the children were adopted maybe your best bet is to try and contact any decendants. I will pm you the names of Arthur Jnr.'s children.

Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Sep 2013 21:41

Unfortunarely this looks to be one of the children:-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Brian Henry Pestell
Name: Brian Henry Pestell
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1954
Date of Registration: Feb 2007
Age at Death: 53
Registration District: Gr Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: -1
Page: -1
Register Number: B91B
District and Subdistrict: 636/1B
Entry number: 071