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Street search on the 1911 census?

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HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Oct 2013 07:02

Interesting??
father: Daniel Logan
spouse: Sarah Mosley
other: Samuel Mosley
Name Daniel Logan
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's Name Sarah Mosley
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date 06 Sep 1850
Event Place St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name Daniel Logan
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's Name Samuel Mosley

not Catholic and she would have been very pregnant?

Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 07:28

Where was that from Jude - is there an image?

It looks like his name has been recorded as Daniel Lyon on the BMD index - hes the only Daniel on the same index number as Sarah Mosley.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 07:50

Oh, got it on familysearch. There appears to be a gap in the parish records for St Peter's on ancestry. Just checked, I think St Peters was catholic.

There was just the 2 of them on the 1851 census, and family search has the christening of their son Daniel - 17/8/1851, born 6/8/1851 - so not pregnant with him when they married!

Pam

Pam Report 16 Oct 2013 09:09

Hi Jude and Flip

I can't get over the stuff you are digging up.
Right little miss Marples you are.

So Sarah's father was Samuel I've always wanted to know that as now her family might be traced

I have Daniels birth cert

As above really. his birthdate 6/8/1851. Funny mine is 12/8/1950
Their address is 63 Gildart Gardens. Liverpool.
It's Daniel who registered him on this one on the 11/8/1851

I have his marriage cert from 6/5/1874 their address was 8 court Horatio Street. Daniels father named as Daniel a Mariner
Rebecca's named as John a Boiler Maker
I have Daniel and Rebecca on census

There is a Daniel Logan with wife Annie and children Daniel and John on the 1841 at Arley Street. Liverpool who I always thought may be the above Daniels grandfather.
In one if the census Daniel the elders brother Bernard cones to live with him and the three names are Logan family names

On my fathers birth cert it spells his father John's address is definitely 5H 3C Idris terrace. Queen Anne Street. His occupation was a Tin works dye setter.
I guess they ducked census signing.

Off topic

Kimball is getting a big head with all these girls after him
He's named after the character Kimball Cho on the tv series The Mentalist


Pam

Pam Report 16 Oct 2013 09:18

I'm blown away here I've just read about Daniel going to Australia
It hit me like a brick
I've been following the family from Arley st trying to get a closure they are or aren't ancestors and only the other day I was given a possible marriage of them as Daniel Logan and Ann Shiels in Ireland
Those Logan's were Catholics and my dad always said they were originally Catholics and how funny it was how history always repeated itself as he was brought up catholic then I married C of E

I think Sarah may have been C of E and or Daniel the younger wasn't religious

What a web. I'm still overwhelmed by the Australian revelation

Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 09:34

On the 1851 census both Sarah & Daniel were born L/pool, but in 1861 with Mr White, it states she and her mother are born Whitehaven, Cumberland. If she is the right one, then her mother must have re-married to have the name Thacker.

You're going to have to stop letting him read this post, if he's getting too big for his boots!

Pam

Pam Report 16 Oct 2013 11:18

Yes I know. It threw me at first but the more I thought of it the more I leaned toward her being the right Sarah.
Just a gut feeling really
Possibility I thought of Sarah was born Whitehaven and the enumerator just put Sarah as born Liverpool because Daniel was
Or she was born in Liverpool and was listed as born in Whitehaven because her mother was!!
Oh what a tangled it is.

I never thought all this information would come to light just asking if a street search was possible
Your like terrier's with a bone lol

I've had so many rellie's mistranscribed at baptisms one family had three different spellings of the surname for their children.
It's a good job they were a close family otherwise they might never have been found.

It's fine when I'm on my phone Kimball can't see but when in on my iPad he leans over my arm and watches what I do.
I think he's loving his new found fame.


Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 14:29

What, so much so he's posted a new photo??

Got to admit, I think it's the right Sarah - we could do with finding her marriage to Mr White, check her marital status and her fathers name, especially since Jude found the marriage to Daniel Logan.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 14:41

Oh sugar, think I'm going to blow the theory out of the water - familysearch has the marriage.

21/9/1857 Sarah Moseley to William White (doesn't give church though) - her father ROBERT Moseley, his father Crosbie White.

So unless there is a mistake on one of the marriage records she can't be the same Sarah that married Daniel Logan.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 14:52

However, if you search for Elizabeth Thacker born 1806 Cumberland (actually Whitehaven) she is in Liverpool with husband SAMUEL Thacker, and son George Thacker (20) in 1851 - sorry but my notepad is acting up and I don't seem to be able to copy the details.

Wonder if Sarah mistakenly used the step-fathers name when she married 1st time round.

Pam

Pam Report 16 Oct 2013 15:16

The plot thickens. It's very intriguing isn't it.

It's highly feasible if Samuel was there for her growing up or however long he was she would name him as her father.

I'm still convinced its her. She would have no reason otherwise to take Daniel away from family members.

I'm sorry my replies are a bit short but I'm going through a medical prep procedure and a side effect is headaches
Replying on my iPhone doesn't help.
Friday I should be fine as my procedure is late tomorrow afternoon.

Kimball is lording it in the lounge stretched out on the sofa.

Thank you so much for the interest you have in my bunch.
Though they are great honing skills material aren't they lol

Pam

Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 15:40

I keep coming back to this marriage, but she is listed as spinster - could do with finding them in 1841:

Samuel Thacker
Marriage Date: 7 Jun 1835
Parish: Bolton le Moors, St Peter
Parish as it Appears: Bolton-le-Moors
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mosley
Reference Number: GB127.L243/1/4/23

Just wonder if Sarah and George were born before she married.

Pam

Pam Report 16 Oct 2013 16:09

It's a possibility they were.

I wouldn't rule anything out with my lot lol

I'm thinking on the same lines as you I think this is the right family for Daniel's mother.
And that Sarah named her step father as her father on her marriage to Daniel.

I'm just so grateful and excited at all the info that is turning up and that is linking together even as high possibility.
It's more than I had to go on before I posted

Pam

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Oct 2013 16:19

Don't forget that anything on Familysearch (yes you were right Flip) is only as good as the submitter....St Peter's is - I think - not Catholic (found several marriages in the Ancestry Liverpool Marriages for a St Peter's...unless of course there was more than one).

Hubby back in work now - so after I have done some stuff on the three certificates I received today then this little puzzle will be high on my list of things to look at :-)

Jude

Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 16:24

I'm not having any luck finding them in 1841 at the moment.

Hope everything goes well for you tomorrow.

Pam

Pam Report 16 Oct 2013 16:34

Here we go again. Rellie's who like to hide.

Thanks

Flip

Flip Report 16 Oct 2013 17:13

I wouldn't normally advocate this, but wonder if it worth starting a thread on Daniel Logan - with Australia in the title? Hoping to attract some of our Aussie cousins to check on his life over there.

We have his birth, but not the parents marriage (so far as I know), his arrival date and ship - something may turn up to confirm or otherwise if we are looking at the right guy.

You could stress you are not looking for marriage/descendants in UK and put a link to this thread, so no one wastes their time finding what we already have.

Just a suggestion, as my knowledge of Aus records is pretty much nil. Maybe something to think about after your visit to the hospital.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Oct 2013 19:12

More on the Sarah/White marriage..

Name William White
Event Type Intended marriage
Event Date 17 Apr 1857
Event Place St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Residence Place
Gender Male
Age 21
Marital Status
Father's Name
Mother's Name
Spouse's Name Sarah Moseley
Spouse's Residence Place
Spouse's Age 21

So taking about 8 years off her age :-) so maybe fibbing about her marital status wasn't the only thing!

Rather than create a new thread....I would retitle this (for the time being at least Daniel Logan - Australia) Then I would edit the first post and say GO TO LAST POST..and then explain you are seeking information IN AUSTRALIA ONLY for Daniel Logan

Echo Flip's thoughts...good luck for tomorrow

Jude

Pam

Pam Report 17 Oct 2013 19:41

Hi Flip and Jude

I'm sorry I haven't replied before now but was feeling a bit rough last night and today
Procedure over and done with now and I'm feeling a little better thanks for your well wishes. I think they worked.

I put a thread elsewhere for Daniel in Australia before your above suggestion. I don't know how to do links on my iPad
My brain is still in a bit of a muddle from the last couple of days.
(That's my excuse for today lol)

I had feedback to finding two hospital admissions and Daniels death and burial place as well as his grave number.

Sadly his address was given as Tramp on his first hospital admission to Creswick Hospital. Aged 45. Occupation labourer. Place of birth England

They haven't found a marriage for him yet but it seems he married and changed his occupation as on his second admission to hospital he does give his status as widower at Ballarat Hospital. Victoria. were he was aged 60. Place of birth. Liverpool. England.
He is buried as Roman Catholic at Ballarat New Cemetery.

Sarah does seem to be either a bit of a fibber or the wrong one

I can't help this feeling deep in my gut that she is Daniel's mother though.

I find it weird that he never used William or Crosbie in his children's names though he called a daughter Georgina after his step sister and Elisabeth I assume after Sarah's mother.
He stayed with the Logan names of Daniel after his grandfathers and John and Bernard after his uncles.

Flip

Flip Report 17 Oct 2013 19:56

Hi Pam,

Glad everything went as planned, hope you are ok.

Tell Kimball he's a real poser- showing himself off on a couch - with no clothes! What a tease to all these girls waiting for him!

Sorry, but don't think I can contribute until tomorrow night - minds frizzed tonight, I have had a 5am set off today, and the same tomorrow - work really gets in the way of life!

However, to link your 2 threads get both open in separate windows then copy the url (the web browser full address) for one and paste into the other and visa versa.

atb, no doubt speak more at the weekend!
Flip