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Catherine / Catherinae Craddock born 1864

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duell

duell Report 11 Nov 2013 09:20

Thank you all for your help. I will look at the recent response Marie Celeste

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Nov 2013 19:57

duell - were you aware that you've had a recent response on one of your old threads about the family name?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1163482

Gins

Gins Report 2 Nov 2013 17:09


Not sure if you have this?


1891 England Census

Name:A Sabini

Age:34

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1857

Relation:Head

Spouse's Name:C Sabini

Gender:Male

Where born:Italy



Civil Parish:St Andrew Holborn above the Bars

Ecclesiastical parish:Trinity

Town:Holborn

County/Island:London


Registration District:Holborn

Sub-registration District:St Andrew Eastern

ED, institution, or vessel:3

Piece:220
Folio:69
Page Number:26

Household Members:


A Sabini 34
C Sabini 26
L Sabini 10
M Sabini 3
P Sabini 3






duell

duell Report 2 Nov 2013 17:06

many thanks everyone - you have given me several fresh leads to follow.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Nov 2013 17:01

Civil Registration in Ireland started in 1864 so may have been just a bit too late for Catherine. As you say you would probably have to look at church records. However I do think it looks more likely that she was born in Clerkenwell and it's her father who was born in Ireland.

Kath. x

Alemap

Alemap Report 2 Nov 2013 17:01

possible???

Civil registration event: Death
Name: SABINE, Catherine
Registration district: [?] Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1946
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:83
Volume no: 8B Page no: 121

duell

duell Report 2 Nov 2013 16:57

Thank you. Not aware of any link with name Powell or Paddington area - but I will keep these details safe just in case they fit in as there were several males named Sidney from 1920 onwards


Is it possible to access Irish birth records ? I am guessing that this is so early I would have to look at individual church records?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Nov 2013 16:52

safc

I think that birth is for this girl in the 1871 census:-

1871 census transcription details for: Maida Vale, Paddington

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 12
Folio: 56
Page: 12
Reg. District: Kensington
Sub District: St Mary Paddington
Parish: Paddington
Enum. District: 27
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Maida Vale, Paddington
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

POWELL, Elizabeth A Head F 31 1840 Middlesex
POWELL, Richard Son M 8 1863 Middlesex
POWELL, Lavenia Daughter F 3 1868 Middlesex
POWELL, George Son M 2 1869 Middlesex
POWELL, Frances Sister-In-Law F 24 1847 Middlesex
CRADDOCK, Kate T Niece F 9 1862 Middlesex<<<<<<<<<<<<<(looks like "I" for middle initial on the image).
CRADDOCK, Sidney R Nephew M 8 1863 Middlesex
BELL, Mary A Servant F 21 1850 Middlesex

Says born Marylebone on image.

Kath. x

safc

safc Report 2 Nov 2013 16:45

????

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
CRADDOCK Kate Isabel Marylebone 1a 526

duell

duell Report 2 Nov 2013 16:43

Katherine - that looks promising. I will be off to the records office first thing Monday.

Safc - interesting link with Margaret craddock visiting the Sabini household,

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Nov 2013 16:39

Could this be Catherine's death (with the name mis-spelt):-

Name: SABINE, Catherine
Registration district: Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1946
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 83
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 121

Hopefully the informant on this certificate would be a family member which would prove or disprove whether this was "your" Catherine.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Nov 2013 16:36

Catherine also gives her birthplace as London in the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 21 Godfrey Street Cardiff

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN32124 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED25 SN1
Reg. District: Cardiff
Sub District: Central Cardiff
Parish: Cardiff
Enum. District: 25

Address: 21 Godfrey Street Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

SABINI, Andrew Head Married M 52 1859 Asphalter Italy Resident
SABINI, Catherine Wife Married
30 years F 48 1863 London
SABINI, Andrew Son Single M 12 1899 School Glamorgan Cardiff
SABINI, Frederick Son Single M 4 1907 Glamorgan Cardiff
SABINI, Rose Daughter Single F 17 1894 Kitchen Maid Hotel London
SABINI, Lucy Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Glamorgan Cardiff
COLLINI, Baptista Boarder Married M 60 1851 Cutler Austria Resident

12 children born to the marriage. 7 living and 5 have died.

Kath. x

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

safc

safc Report 2 Nov 2013 16:36

Andrew Sabbine, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Andrew Sabbine
Age (Original): 23
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1858
Birthplace: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Ice Cream Merchant (?Ker)
Address: 5 Crawford Passage
Event Place: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341075
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 345 / 16
Page Number: 26
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Andrew Sabbine M 23 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Wife Caroline Sabbine F 19 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Visitor Margaret Craddock F 53 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Nov 2013 16:29

There were no penalties for not registering a birth until 1875 so for the period between 1837 when registration began and 1875 many births were simply not registered and if this is the case with Catherine then there won't be a birth certificate to find.

The census record above gives her birthplace as Clerkenwell an not Ireland.

Kath. x

duell

duell Report 2 Nov 2013 16:15

The family definitely lived in Clerkenwell and Holborn. Her parents were John and (Ithink) Louisa). Slightly different spelling of names - but definately well worth pursuing. I need to get access to Irish records I think. Thanks for your help.

safc

safc Report 2 Nov 2013 16:09

????

Kate Craddoc in household of John Craddoc, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Kate Craddoc
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Holborn
Sub-District: St Andrew, Eastern
Parish: St Andrew
County: London, Middlesex
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self John Craddoc M 49 Ireland
Wife Margaret Craddoc F 44 Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Daughter Margaret Craddoc F 13 Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Daughter Kate Craddoc F 8 Clerkenwell, Middlesex

duell

duell Report 2 Nov 2013 15:58

I have been searching in vain for months for the birth and death records of Catherine Craddock - later known by married name of Catherinae or Kate Sabini.

I have census (1891 / 1901 / 1911) and marriage cert from St Peters RC Church in Clerkenwell London. All list birth in 1864 or 1865 in Holborn London. Similar on any documentation relating to her children.

I believe her father - John or Joannis Craddock was born in London.However,I cannot find a birth certificate for Catherine. A cousin has also been researching the birth and has found an old family letter which says she was born in Wexford Ireland. However I have no idea how to access Irish records to prove this.

Catherines husband Andrew (aka Andreas) Sabini died in Cardiff in 1917. I am told that his widow remained in Cardiff and was buried there. However I am really struggling to find anything to support this. Any help would be very much appreciated.