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catherine belcham v henry kerr

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John

John Report 23 Dec 2013 22:28

looking to see if any one can help me find marriage of henry kerr and catherine belcham they lived in sunderland not sure if they married ?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Dec 2013 22:33

Can you give us an idea of when they lived? Which century?
Any further details would help.

I'm not seeing any marriage, so either it's very recent, or they didn't marry.
Or else it's so long ago that there's no surviving record.

John

John Report 23 Dec 2013 22:37

Argyll sorrycatherine was born in Norfolk and moved to sunderland where she had children to henry kerr shes on 1861 census as single

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Dec 2013 22:41

For our ref, is this her?


1861 England Census about Catherine S Belcham
Name: Catherine S Belcham
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Lydia Belcham
Gender: Female
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Sunderland
Sub-registration District: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 281
Piece: 3773
Folio: 57
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Lydia Belcham 50
Martha Belcham 23
Lydia Belcham 20
Hannah S Belcham 18
Catherine S Belcham 17
Georgena Belcham 15

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Dec 2013 22:42

And here with Henry, saying she's married:


1881 England Census about Catherine Kerr
Name: Catherine Kerr
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Henry Kerr
Gender: Female
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: Coronation St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Sunderland
Sub-registration District: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5002
Folio: 106
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Kerr 48
Catherine Kerr 36
James Kerr 14
Henry Kerr 13
Thomas Kerr 10
Frank Kerr 8

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Dec 2013 22:45


1901 England Census about Henry Kerr
Name: Henry Kerr
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Catharine Kerr
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Kerr 70
Catharine Kerr 59

John

John Report 23 Dec 2013 22:49

but no marriage argyll

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Dec 2013 22:50

Presumably her death, as Kerr, but I don't see a marriage record:

Deaths Dec 1920 (>99%)
KERR Catherine S 76 Sunderland 10a 714

Flip

Flip Report 24 Dec 2013 08:45

Her age is wrong on this, but I think it is the right family - Henry born London, a butcher:

Catharine Kerr
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Kerr
Gender: Female
Where born: Rigis, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration District: Sunderland
Sub-registration District: East Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household Schedule Number: 207
Piece: 5014
Folio: 18
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Kerr 37
Catharine Kerr 36
Laura Kerr 6
James Kerr 4
Henry Kerr 2
William Kerr 1 Month
John Kerr 1 Month

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 24 Dec 2013 09:06

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Kings Lynn
Church St Margaret
RegisterNumber 969
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 03 Aug 1842
Forename Hannah Sarah
Sex F
FatherForename James
MotherForename Lydia
FatherSurname BELCHAM
MotherSurname
Abode Windsor Row
FatherOccupation Mariner
Notes W. Snell, Curate. The entry is faded and difficult to read.
(same time, Lydia)

(above if relating to 1861 Census posted, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

1851
BELCHAM, James Head Married M 42 1809 Master Mariner
Wells, Norfolk
BELCHAM, Lydia Wife Married F 42 1809
Wells, Norfolk
BELCHAM, Ann M Daughter F 19 1832 Tailoress
Wells, Norfolk
BELCHAM, Fountain J S Son M 17 1834 Mariner
Wells, Norfolk
BELCHAM, Martha Daughter F 15 1836 Scholar
Wells, Norfolk
BELCHAM, Lydia Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar
Wells, Norfolk
BELCHAM, Hannah Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar
Lynn, Norfolk
BELCHAM, Catherine Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Lynn, Norfolk
BELCHAM, Georgeanna Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Lynn, Norfolk
Piece: 1829
Folio: 352
Page: 50
Registration District: Kings Lynn
Civil Parish: St Margarets
Municipal Borough: Kings Lynn
Address: 31, Jamess Place, Wood Street St, St Margarets, Lynn, Kings Lynn
County: Norfolk

Flip

Flip Report 24 Dec 2013 09:45

Like everyone else, I can't see a marriage for them. Catherine has been missed off this transcript - she is with her son Ellison and a widow. Not found a death for Henry though between 1901-1911:

Ellison Kerr
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Husband
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 14 Villiers St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Dealer General
Registration District: Sunderland
Registration District Number: 555
Sub-registration District: Sunderland East
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 30196
Household Members: Name Age
Ellison Kerr 27
Genevieve Kerr 20
Ellison Kerr 10/12

The 1891 census has been badly transcribed, but Henry was not with Catherine, John, Frank & Ellison - although she stated married, so he must have been away on night of census. She was transcribed as Mark on Ancestry as they have combined 2 households in error.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 24 Dec 2013 09:48

Cemetery Registers Sunderland 1874 Lydia Belcham abt 1809 Christopher Street, Hendon

(possibly her Mother, from below)

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/NewSearch.php

Chris :)

Marriage (Sister)
Day:14
Month:Aug
Year:1862
Groom forenames:Carl
Groom surname:Hebner
Grooms parish:
Groom other:
Bride forenames:Lydia
Bride Surname:Belcham
Brides parish:
Bride other:
Place:Hendon
Description:St. Paul
County:Durham
Record source:Northumberland and Durham Marriages

edits (with below, if him)
Cemetery Registers Hartlepool 1907 Henry Kerr abt 1836 [blank abode]

First name(s): Henry
Last name: KERR
Date of burial 7 Feb 1907
Age at death: 71
Calculated year of birth: 1836
Place of burial Hartlepool
Dedication: Old Cemetery
County: Durham
Hartlepool Old Cemetery:
Denomination: Cemetery
Coverage 1856 - 1999
Data provider: Cleveland Family History Society

Flip

Flip Report 24 Dec 2013 13:50

Not sure that death is right Chris, I think it ties into this probate record:

Henry Kerr
Probate Date: 22 Feb 1907
Death Date: 4 Feb 1907
Death Place: Hartlepool, Durham, England
Registry: Durham, England

Henry Kerr, of Hartlepool. Probate to Annie Pilcher (wife of George Pilcher) - £31 4s. But they didn't appear to have a daughter Annie, and they weren' t living in Hartlepool.

I wondered about this death - although the age is about 10 years out??

Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
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KERR Henry 63 S. Shields 10a 475

Parts of Sunderland came under South Shields until 1928.

ADDED: although none of this is helping in the original question to find their marriage!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Dec 2013 14:29

I think this is Henry in 1861 on FMP (occupation on image is Butcher) - it says he's married, but who to? Catherine is still with her parents.

KERR, Henry Head Married M 27 1834 ... London, Middlesex

Piece: 3775 Folio: 46 Page: 25
Registration District: Sunderland
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
Municipal Borough: Sunderland

Address: 19, Sussex Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland County: Durham

Ancestry have added a Mary Walsh and her children as his family but I think that may be an error and they've wrongly appended the household beneath.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Dec 2013 14:38

Henry appears to be in the North East in 1851:

MILLS, Robert Head Married M 23 1828 Butcher Alnwick, Northumberland
MILLS, Ann Wife Married F 27 1824 Hetton Le Hole, Durham
KERR, Henry Aprentice Unmarried M 18 1833 Butcher's Apprentice London, Middlesex

Piece: 2392 Folio: 333 Page: 58
Registration District: Easington

Address: Shotton Colliery County: Durham

Did he marry someone between 1851 & 1861 so wasn't free to marry Catherine?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Dec 2013 14:43

Just putting this here on the off chance, either to prove or eliminate.

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

Day: 6
Month: Mar
Year: 1853

Groom forenames: Henry
Groom surname: Kerr

Bride forenames: Jane
Bride Surname: Hunter

Place: Bishopwearmouth
Description: St. Michael & All Angels
County: Durham

Checked: Yes
Record source: Northumberland and Durham Marriages
Data provider: Northumberland & Durham Family History Society

...........................................................................................................

I think he's been recorded both with and without a middle name on the index:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1853
BAXTER George William Sunderland 10a 378
HUNTER Jane Sunderland 10a 378 **
KERR Henry Sunderland 10a 378 <<
KERR Henry M Sunderland 10a 378 <<
WHITE Sarah Ann Sunderland 10a 378

safc

safc Report 24 Dec 2013 14:51

Henry Kerr, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Henry Kerr
Birth Date: 1832
Birthplace:
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Jane Hunter
Spouse's Birth Date: 1832
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 06 Mar 1853
Event Place: Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Father's Name: Peter Kerr
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: John Hunter
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00851-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1514549
Reference ID: it 2, p 77, no 153

safc

safc Report 24 Dec 2013 15:02

1861 Census
1 Records found



Piece: RG9/3775 Place: S Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 15
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas
Folio: 46 Page: 25 Schedule: 142
Address: 19 Sussex St

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KERR Henry Head U M 27 Butcher Middlesex - London


free cen says hes not married does U mean unmarried???

http://www.freecen.org.uk/

safc

safc Report 24 Dec 2013 15:11

this could be henry and jane hunter

1861 Census
6 Records found



Piece: RG9/3775 Place: S Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 16
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas
Folio: 91 Page: 40 Schedule: 243
Address: 40 Sans St

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KERR Henry Head M M 28 Printer Compositor Scotland - -
Page: 92/41 KERR Jane Wife M F 28 Scotland - -
KERR Marian Dau - F 7 Co. Durham - Sunderland
KERR Henrietta J Dau - F 5 Co. Durham - Sunderland
KERR Elizabeth Dau - F 2 Co. Durham - Sunderland
KERR John Henry Son - M 5m Co. Durham - Sunderland

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Dec 2013 15:21

Yes safc I'd agree U=Unmarried. I've just checked the image again on the 1861 and although it's not clear I think I would tend to go more for unmarried. (I can see, though, how the transcription on FMP could have picked it up as married).

Well found.