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Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 23 Jan 2014 14:39

I was trying to find out more about a Francis John Cox who has date of birth (from death) of 2nd Oct 1907

NAME: Francis John Cox
BIRTH DATE: 2 Oct 1907
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Mar 1985
AGE AT DEATH: 77
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Exeter
INFERRED COUNTY: Devon
VOLUME: 21
PAGE: 1154
. I found one born Blean -Kent

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Jan 2014 14:47

How do you know that Francis and Edgar were brothers?

Who were their parents?



Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 23 Jan 2014 14:50

on 1911

Francis J Cox 4
Edgar P Cox 3
Joseph A Father
Carrie E



Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Jan 2014 14:50

the 'a' to which you refer is merely a suffix to the page number

Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
COX Edgar Percival Hereford 6a 458
COX Edgar Percival Hereford 6a 458a
Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Cox Edgar Percival Hereford 6a 488

Adoption wasn't an official process until the mid-1920's - so has no relevance in this instance

BUT....if Francis was born in Oct 1907, his brother couldn't have been........or at least not in a county on the other side of the country

Are you 100% sure that the death info is accurate?

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Jan 2014 14:51

Who did Francis marry?

Who did he name as his father?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Jan 2014 14:52

1911
COX, William Head Married M 46 1865 Watch And Clock Repairer out of Business Banbury Oxon
COX, Amelia Fanny Wife Married22 years F 44 1867 Housewife Wescote Barton
COX, Amelia Joy Daughter F 9 1902 School Canterbury
COX, Francis John Son M 3 1908 Tyler Hill Kent
RG number: RG14
Piece: 8274
Reference: RG14PN8274 RD158 SD1 ED9 SN46B
Registration District: Banbury
Sub District: Bloxham
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: South Newington
Address: South Newington
County: Oxfordshire

Baptism
Day:27
Month:Oct
Year:1907
Forename(s):Francis John (Electrical Engineer)
Surname:Cox
Father's Forename(s):William
Mother's Forename(s):Amelia Fanny
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Place:Blean, SS Cosmus & Damian
County:Kent
(abode, Damian Cottage, Blean)

Chris :)

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 23 Jan 2014 14:53

I am awaiting his marriage cert - his death says place of birth unknown!
this is why when I found the 1911 with a possible for him as a child- and odd birth reg. for one boy in that - I wondered if they were both adopted or something?

Hopefully the marriage cert will yield more and name a Father. I was more curious as to why a child might me registered what looks like 3 times in 2 q's.

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Jan 2014 14:54

1911 census


Person: COX, Francis T Address: 17 Westfaling Street Hereford

COX, Joseph A Head Married M 33 1878 Assurance Agent Blakemere Nr Madley Herefordshire VIEW
COX, Cassie E Wife Married F 27 1884 Domestic Bleanavon Monmouth SH VIEW
COX, Edgar P Son M 3 1908 Orcop N Hereford VIEW
COX, Francis T Son M 4 1907 Orcop Nr Hereford

THIS is the birth......second name NOT JOHN

Births Dec 1906 (>99%)
Cox Francis Thomas Hereford 6a 495

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Jan 2014 14:56

Now.......WHO are you related to?

EDIT

Chris seems to have found the CORRECT 1911

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 23 Jan 2014 14:56

Oh wow Chris thanks - when I searched on Ancestry I didn't pull that one up?
That looks great - as soon as Marriage cert comes I should be able to confirm yes or now - thanks very much

and to others too :-)

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 23 Jan 2014 14:59

Thanks Reggie - Looks like it was Mistrnscribed as Carrie and Francis J on the one I looked at instead of Cassie and Francis T !!!

Chris has discoered the correct one now - thansk for your help. Will sit tight till marriage cert comes now.

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 23 Jan 2014 16:20

I have now found them on 1911 (together) and 1891 (together) - and Amelia Fanny on 1901 - with an aunt. (Winnifred Marsh) (AMelia is saying sh'es single)

They married in JAS 1888 William Cox Amelia Fanny Marsh.

BUT I cannot find William Cox anywhere on 1901 - i wondered if he was in prison ?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Jan 2014 17:08

Baptism
First names:Amelia Joy
Surname:Cox
Baptism year:1902
Baptism month:Apr
Baptism day:18
Parish:St Martin In The Fields
County:Middlesex
Page:590
Birth year:1902
Birth month:Jan
Birth day:21
Father's First names:William (Scientific Mechanician)
Mother's First names:Amelia Fanny
Record source:Westminster Baptisms- Transcripts
Data provider:Westminster Archives
(abode, 6, St. Dunstans Terrace, Canterbury)

Chris :)

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 24 Jan 2014 13:42

Thanks Chris. thats really helpful :)

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 24 Jan 2014 14:05

I still think its odd they married in 1888 were together in 1891 -but not together in 1901 - and in 1911 only have two children born fairly recently. I have no idea where William was in between. really there is no sign of him for definite from 1891 to 1902.
Unless he was selling watches /jewellery away somewhere?

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 7 Feb 2014 17:49

I now have the marriage cert for Francis John Cox dated 1957. His father is named as William Cox (deceased) watchmaker and jeweller.

I have him safely on 1911 age 3
Mum Amelia Fanny Cox
Dad William Cox
sister Amelia Joy Cox

but am very puzzled as to William in 1901 - he just does not seem to be anywhere at all? anybody who enjoys searching I'd be glad of help . Amelia is with her
Aunt, Winifred Marsh but as 'single' I'm not sure if this is an error or intentionally put. I notice although married for a long time they did not have children for a long time - which makes me wonder if he was 'elsewhere'.

I don't have access to criminal records -but have tried googling various things -but nothing comes up. Library open again on Monday!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Feb 2014 18:47

http://www.deddington.org.uk/clubs/britishlegionbranch

(mention of him on above)

William Cox
Probate Date:26 Sep 1925
Death Date:1 Aug 1925
Death Place:Oxfordshire, England
(of South Newington, Oxfordshire. Probate to Amelia Fanny Cox widow Benjamin John Marsh seedsman. Effects £931 7s)

(probably well hidden 1901!)

Amelia Fanny Cox
Probate Date:16 Jun 1958
Death Date:21 Apr 1958
Death Place:Oxfordshire, England
(of Fox Lane, Westcott Barton, Middle Barton, Oxfordshire widow, died at 51, Carter Avenue Exmouth Devon. Probate to Francis John Cox hotel maintenance engineer. Effects £892 3s 3d)

Chris :)

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 7 Feb 2014 19:14

Oh Wow -thaks - the address is the same he lived at in 1976!

Fairlyfatfairy

Fairlyfatfairy Report 7 Feb 2014 19:19

That's so interesting! what site did you find all that on please? I didn't even know you could find recent stuff like that online!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Feb 2014 19:26

(Probates from Ancestry, other google search)

Chris :)