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Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jan 2014 23:08

1911 census


Person: GIOT, Hilda Address: 24 Hill St St Heliers Jersey

EASTLEY, John Joseph Head Married30 years M 50 1861 Painter St Heliers Jersey VIEW
EASTLEY, Alice King Wife Married30 years F 52 1859 St Heliers Jersey VIEW
GIOT, Hilda Niece Single F 30 1881 St Heliers Jersey

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 29 Jan 2014 23:10

According to the info I posted in Alan's other thread, there was also a Peter George born in 1910; he is shown on a WWI era record with his son, and the son is in the current telephone directory.

Also I found Ernest Walter in the Canadian Expeditionary Forces in WWI and marrying in Halifax Nova Scotia and returning to England with a child in 1921, and explained how to find that child's children in the current telephone directory.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1336757

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jan 2014 23:11

Suggestion ONLY

1911 census

Person: PIGNET, Elvina Address: 2 St Clements Road Jersey

PIGNET, Nicholas Head Married M 50 1861 Boot Shoe Makers St Heliers Jersey VIEW
PIGNET, Elvina Wife Married3 years F 31 1880 Assisting-In-Business St Clements Jersey VIEW
PIGNET, Stanley Son Single M 24 1887 Assistant Postman St Heliers Jersey

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jan 2014 23:13

Peter G and George P under discussion on THIS thread are one person.....he was born c1856........the son of Constant..........

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 29 Jan 2014 23:21

if that was for me, of course I agree, Peter/George the elder was one person

my info was that there was someone with the same name born in 1910 who is clearly related, and his child can be found in the telephone directory

THIS thread is about the same family as the OTHER thread, which is why I wanted to let people in THIS thread know what info had been found in the OTHER thread

since Alan actually said he is 'looking for members of the family' ... THIS thread is not ABOUT Peter/George Giot, it is about the Giot family

I was not actually addressing one single person or the info he had put in this thread .........

Alan

Alan Report 30 Jan 2014 06:20

i have been speaking to my aunt.
in 1881 Guernsey census George Peter,, definitely George P. no evidence that Peter G was living in Guernsey.
same year, 1881 George's wife was Elizabeth,, Peters wife was Maria.
by 1891 in Guernsey, Georges wife was Maria.
Georges wife Maria was 10 years younger than Peters Maria.
Georges Maria was born in Guernsey, and Peters Maria was born in Jersey
My aunt has said that there does not seem to be enough information to go on.
Reggie, i see that you have found Peter George in 1901 Jersey census.
George was living over here in Guernsey then
things dont seem to add up??

Reggie

Reggie Report 30 Jan 2014 13:41

As you seem to have access to censuses, I don't think there is anything further I can do for you.............

You say George was in Guernsey in 1901..........post the census for our info

You make statements about 'Maria'..............please post the documentary evidence - again for our info

It would also be good if you commented on all the info people have found for you

And you seem unwilling to accept that Constant and his wife had only ONE son

Reggie

Reggie Report 30 Jan 2014 13:47

1891 census

Person: GIOH, Ernest Address: Les Martins, St Martin, Military

GIOH, George Head Married M 55 1836 ***image is 35 Farmer
St Martin, Jersey VIEW
GIOH, Maria Wife Married F 50 1841 ********image is 30
St Sampson, Guernsey VIEW
GIOH, Elvina Daughter Single F 12 1879 Scholar
St Clement, Jersey VIEW
GIOH, Hilda Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
St Helier, Jersey VIEW
GIOH, Ada Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
St Helier, Jersey VIEW
GIOH, Ernest Son M 7 1884 Scholar
St Helier, Jersey VIEW
GIOH, Angle Widow F 76 1815 Living On Her Own Means
France VIEW

Reggie

Reggie Report 30 Jan 2014 13:55

You wrote.............

in 1881 Guernsey census George Peter,, definitely George P. no evidence that Peter G was living in Guernsey.
same year, 1881 George's wife was Elizabeth,, Peters wife was Maria.

Post the proof, please..................

And you seem not to have considered that Elizabeth may have died and been replaced by Maria............

You must look at ALL the info found for you............not just selected snippets

Reggie

Reggie Report 30 Jan 2014 15:44

JoonieCloonie

You make reference on here to 'courtesy'

I see you have just deleted a thread on which I posted what I hoped would be helpful info.......where is the 'courtesy' in that?

Was that because I asked you today to acknowledge the link to another member which I has posted on Jan 12th?

A somewhat extreme reaction - deleting a thread rather than just managing to post the words 'thank you'

Apologies, Alan, for using your thread to communicate with another member.................but, needs must.

Alan

Alan Report 30 Jan 2014 17:36

Dear All, Please,,, we are here to pass on information and assistance to whoever and hopefully to help each other out guide us in the right direction, i dont know what was deleted, but I for one would like to see and read ANY thread that any one of us post,
whether it helps me or anyone else If I or anyone else has got the wrong information on names places people we need to know

Reggie as for any evidence, it is what my Aunt has collected, and or seen, and it would be with her.
If there are others that I have Offended on this thread, then I can only Apologize to All
from the bottom of my Heart

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 30 Jan 2014 18:08

Alan, I mentioned in the other thread that the geopatronyme site for France shows the surname Giot since 1891 concentrated in the Department of Manche (which is the peninsula directly east of Jersey)

the Department directly east of Manche is Calvados which also had a concentration of the name

In googling 'constant giot' I found this and thought, just in case the name is a traditional one in the family ...

http://edecideur.info/edecideur/0113Z/GIOT-YOANN-FERDINAND-CONSTANT-GIOT-YOANN-FERDINAND-CONSTANT-533787578.html

Yoann Ferdinand Constant Giot is a farmer in Russy which is in Calvados
there is an address at that link

(the nonsense about Tennessee at that page seems to come from some error in the longitude/latitude)

the name Giot is also present in Belgium but I expect your source is really the area of Manche in France

The thing in these threads is that people would simply like to know that you are acknowledging the info provided

for instance I have given you ways of contacting descendants of Constant Giot via Hilda and Ernest (the person you asked about in the other thread and about whom I found considerable information) and I have no idea whether you plan to do that, if not then finding that information was a bit of a waste of time

Do you know the various people who have corrected the name 'Giot' at Ancestry?

I would certainly contact them if not,

If you are looking to know about the family then contacting members of that family or people who know about it really seems the reasonable route to take.

I'm not sure we know your own connection to the Giot family even ...

as for the recent comments in this thread, they and the thread they pertain to have nothing to do with your thread here so please just disregard them :-)


also just to add this as a summary
this is the actual census info as transcribed at Ancestry

Name: George Girt [George Giot]
Birth: abt 1856 - St. Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands
Residence: >> 1861 - Trinity, Jersey, Channel Islands

Name: George Jiot
Birth: abt 1855 - St Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands
Residence: >> 1871 - Petits Angres, Trinity, Jersey, Channel Islands

Name: George P. Giot
Spouse: Elizabeth Giot c1852 St Helier Jersey
Birth: abt 1855 - St Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands
Residence: >> 1881 - St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
children
Elvine Giot 2
Eldo Giot

Name: George Gion
Spouse: Elaria Gion c1841 St Sampson Guernsey
Birth: abt 1836 - TX, St Martin
Residence: >> 1891 - Military District, St Martin, Guernsey, Channel Islands
children
Elvina Gion 12
Hilela Gion 10
Ada Gion 9
Ernest Gion 7
Argle Gion 76

Name: Peter G Giot
Spouse: Maria Giot
Birth: abt 1856 - St Martins, Jersey, Channel Islands
Residence: >> 1901 - St Helier, St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
children
Elvina Giot 21
Hilda Giot 19
Ernest Giot 17

Obviously the children

Elvine/Elvina
Eldo/Hilela/Hilda
Ernest

are the same 1881-1891-1901

so obviously George (P) and Peter G are the same person
in Jersey all years but 1891 when they were in Guernsey

and obviously he had remarried between 1881 and 1891, possibly in Guernsey

Alan

Alan Report 30 Jan 2014 19:37

Dear Joonie Cloonie. Thank you for getting back to us.
No no it has not been a waste of time ,,on anyones part. Yes, after all these posts, it does show that there IS a need for me to get in touch with the surviving Giot's in Jersey. Today, i have sent a letter explaining my family tree interest to the Jersey Evening Post asking if a Giot family member would like to get in touch with me on this subject.
I ve done it this way, in case there are others over there who could be related who might also be interested, or are able to help.
I could have phoned one of the Giot's, but felt that this would have been out of the blue to them, and could have been off putting.
I also need, at some point soon, to go down to Jersey to look at the public records.
That information that you ve just posted sounds Really interesting, that is certainly something else for me to look at.
Im So Glad that You, and the others have Responded, Even if it is Different/ Conflicting information that My Aunt and myself have.
It is so important to get the Correct Information than to go ahead and put in a load of mumbo jumbo
THANK YOU ALL
:-) :-)

Alan

Alan Report 30 Jan 2014 19:48

Joonie Cloonie,

starting from Constant and Hylacie, = George P and Elizabeth=Ada May, and William Torode=Winnifred Grace and Edward Howlett= Betty and John Stevens= me
Hope you can understand
my connection

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 30 Jan 2014 20:03

Constantin was from Manche as were almost all of the French workers who came to Jersey during the 19th Century, others came mainly from Brittany.

Constantin was born on 8th June 1811 in the canton of St-maurice-en-cotentin, his father was Pierre Giot aged 38 at the time of Constantin's birth. His mother's name is not mentioned on the birth registration however there is a marriage in the same canton on 16/1/1811 between Pierre Francois Félix Giot and Jeanne Francoise Angélique Lerouvillois.

Constantin married Aglaé (and I'm not convinced by any of the spellings of her name) Le Mouton on 18/12/1852 at St Thomas' Roman Catholic Church in St Helier. The marriage certificate names his father as Pierre and hers as Henri Francois, she was from Haye du Puits.

I have found a birth for an Amélaide Ernestine Le Mouton in Haye du Puits, Manche born 28/1/1821, father Henri Francois mother Francoise Webre.

It seems likely that this is her, just depends how you feel about her varying years of birth on the censuses.

Moving forward.
St Helier Town Church baptisms

Baptism 25/07/1880
Birth 01/07/1880
Elda Louise Giot
Father George Peter
Mother Elizabeth Sophie De La Haye
Father's Occupation Farmer
Godparents Father Mother A. Le Feuvre.

30/12/1883
01/12/1883
Ernest Walter Giot
George Peter
Sopia Elizabeth De La Haye
Baker
John Philip De La Perrelle and Elizabeth Jane Pirouet

So that's wife No 1 - I'll see if I can find her death next week.

Alan

Alan Report 30 Jan 2014 20:34

Thank you Jersey Lily. much appriciated

Reggie

Reggie Report 30 Jan 2014 22:35

Alan

You haven't offended anyone.......well, not me, anyway. It wasn't I who moaned about the perceived lack of courtesy

My comment about the deleted post was not addressed to you...........if you read it carefully, you will see that.

BUT...........you MUST take note of what is posted on here............otherwise there is no point in your asking us to help you.



Alan

Alan Report 31 Jan 2014 06:05

Reggie , point taken, when these discrepancies were hilighted , it started to dawn on me that i needed to find, and try and make contact with surviving Giot' either in Jersey, or the UK, which i am trying to do now.
As i have said previously, my Aunt did the initial research, and drew up a tree based on her findings. i have been trying to find more info based on that.
i live in Guernsey, and she lives in the UK, so trying to find the time, and waiting for replies can take some time.
the best times for me to get onto a computer and digest incoming messages is either now,, 6.00 am, when my brain cells are waking up, or sometime after 5.00 pm after i have put our evening meal in the oven [wife is at work] i can briefly look at messages on my mobile during the day during breaks.
I DO Appreciate All you guys are doing for me, and have been a Big help.
kind regards to you all :-)

Alan

Alan Report 14 Feb 2014 19:34

Hi All.
Just to update you all.
I ve made contact with the Giot Family in Jersey, they have said that Family matters were not talked about much if at all. might have been because they have found, since their father died, some skeletons,but they were happy for me to get in touch and ask. anything that either of us find out, we are happy to pass on to each other.
A James from CI Family History Society has come on board after my Radio interview on Radio Jersey, have also been given a Canadian address for a Giot Family Member, so hopefully will hear from them at some time.
So, there we are, I have Been offered assistance from several people in Jersey when i am eventually able to go down there, which i am entirely Grateful for.
I can also see that I will have to go to St Maurice en Cotentin.
Once again,, I do very much Appreciate your getting in touch and giving me alot of information that I would not have found out about :-)