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I'm looking for Mary Ann Baron b. 1840 in Wigan. I have the 1841 details, but I'm not sure the parents are actually hers because it obviously does not give relationship to head of household.
If she can be found on the 1851 age 10/11 it would give me this info. I've tried a search but she wasn't coming up at all. She was at Grayson's Yard in 1841 age 1.
I have found her marriage on Lancsbmd and on the LancsOPC (church) in 1858, but it's giving her father as William Baron, this is not who she's with in 1841, so I'm thinking they were grandparents?
I've tried for a marriage of William but again nothing is coming up. I have lots of other info but think she is my missing link. Any help much appreciated. Cheers M.

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Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1840

BARON Mary Ann Wigan Wigan & Leigh HOWARTH WIG/6/177

I've got that Reggie, with full details from All Saint's Church records in Wigan.

The marriage seems to be for an older girl

Marriage: 12 Sep 1858 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Richard Molyneux - 19, Collier, Bachelor, Spring Gardens
Mary Ann Baron - (X), 20, Spinster, Miry Lane
Groom's Father: Richard Molyneux, Collier
Bride's Father: William Baron, Collier
Witness: Henry Baron, (X); Ellen Hill, (X)
Married by Banns by: Alex Smith Curate
Register: Marriages 1856 - 1865, Page 62, Entry 124
Source: LDS Film 1885698

So...who are you related to?

Baron.......or Molyneux?

1851 either of these?

Name:
Mary Baron

Age:
12

Estimated birth year:
abt 1839

Relation:
Daughter

Father's Name:
Valentine Baron

Mother's name:
Maria Baron

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Wigan, Lancashire, England

OR

Name:
Mary Ann Baron

Age:
11

Estimated birth year:
abt 1840

Relation:
Daughter

Father's Name:
William Baron

Mother's name:
Nancy Baron

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Darwen, Lancashire, England



Civil Parish:
Blackburn

Town:
Blackburn

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England

This is the one I thought possible, because a Richard Molyneux was witness at the marriage of my g.grandfather James Howarth in 1868.

She's definitely Mary Ann Baron and her marriage if it's the right girl, says William as father.
Her mother's maiden name is Howarth. I am Howarth. The Baron's were witness at Howarth marriages, as was Richard Molyneux, all these families are inter related.

Maybe this is the Mary who married in 1858 aged 20


Mary Ann Baron

Birth Date:26 Jun 1838

Baptism Date:16 Sep 1838
Baptism Place:Saint Katherine,Blackrod,Lancashire,England

Father: William Baron
Mother: Mary

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1851

Name:
Mary Ann Baron

Age:13

Estimated birth year:abt 1838
Relation:Daughter

Father's Name:William Baron
Mother's name:Mary Baron

Where born:Adlington, Lancashire, England


William Baron 51 - labourer at coal works
Mary Baron 51
John Baron 20
Henry Baron 17
Samuel Baron 15
Mary Ann Baron 13

The point I was trying to convey is that the girl in 1841 was probably not the one who married in 1858

Also - if you get a copy of her birth cert you'll have FULL parental info

The occupation for this father doesn't match

1851
William Baron 46 - Painter
Nancy Baron 44
Alice Baron 20
Henry Baron 16
Mary Ann Baron 11
Gaurey Baron 1 Mo

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I agree that the marriage quoted is a different Mary than the one born to mother Howarth

Yes I'm right with you on that Reggie, just didn't want to send for a birth cert that might not be the one I want, no probs.
Thanks Mike, interesting in that a Henry Baron was witness at the 1858 marriage of Mary Ann to Richard, ummm. this gets deeper.

Very strange Mike, in 1841 Mary Ann was on the Wigan census with Peter Baron and wife? Ann.

Just checked the Lancsbmd again and yes , Mary Ann was born Wigan 1840, no doubts, so where was she in 1851???? I'm going to check the death records tomorrow in case she died and another daughter was born who they named Mary Ann. Thanks guys for your input.

Re: Mike's 1851 post
Henry Barron & Samuel Baron were both baptized at Saint Katherine, Blackrod.

There's also:
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BEARON Mary Ann Adlington Preston PILKINGTON ADL/1/20

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1841 England Census Transcription
Street:GRAYSONS YARD
Parish:WIGAN
City:WIGAN
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
House Number:-
House Name:-
Registration District:WIGAN
Town:-
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:523 Book:11 Folio:38 Page:21

PETER BARON 1801 40 Weaver
JOHN BARON 1821 20 Maker up of ?Lard?
MOSES BARON 1826 15 Maker up of ?Lard?
AARON BARON 1831 10 Knitter
MARGARET BARON 1833 8
ELLEN BARON 1837 4
MARY ANN BARON 1840 1
ANN BARON 1801 40 Winder

Also living at Grayson's Yard (opposite page) is:
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:523 Book:11 Folio:39 Page:22

THOMAS BARON 1816 25 Brush Maker
ELLEN BARON 1821 20 Tends Family
ANN BARON 1839 2
PETER HOWARTH 1821 20 Spinner
JANE HOWARTH 1821 20 Spinner
AGNES MCCANN 1826 15 Spinner
JNO ROWLINSON 1826 15 Spinner
[Recall ages 15+ were supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5 in 1841]


I think these are her brothers:
Marriage: 26 Jan 1846 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Moses Baron - (X), 19 Maker up of Twist Bachelor of Wigan
Sarah Foster - (X), 20 Throstle Spinner Spinster of Wigan
Groom's Father: Peter Baron, Warehouseman
Bride's Father: William Foster, dead
Witness: Robert Butler, (X); Elizabeth Williams, (X)
Married by Banns by: John T.Pigot Curate
Register: Marriages 1845 - 46, Page 114, Entry 227
Source: LDS Film 1885695

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
BARON Aaron 20 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/24/337


Of Possible interest:
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/cemetery.php?opt=cemetery
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Cremation Religion
Baron Mary Ellen 1yr 9m 27 Grayson's Yd. Wigan Lane 16-Feb 1862 F 82 * C of E
Baron Peter 67 yrs 8 Grayson's Yd. Wigan Ln. 06-Apr 1864 K 427 * C of E
Baron Alexander 80 Yrs 12 Graysons Yd.Wigan Ln. 23-Jan 1867 K 254 * C of E
Baron James 2 days 12 Grayson's Yd. Wigan Lane 30-May 1877 D 341 * C of E
Baron Moses 54 yrs 7 Grayson's Yd. Wigan Lane 17-Feb 1879 D 271 * C of E
Baron Ann 87 Yrs Graysons Yd.Wigan Ln. 11-Mar 1887 B 2 Non Con
Baron Sarah 62 Yrs 7 Graysons Yard 30-Jun 1887 K 191 C of E
Baron Ann 68 yrs 12 Grayson's Yard Wigan Ln 23-Oct 1890 M 437 * C of E
Baron James 78 yrs 13 Graysons Yard 26-Dec 1895 I 639 * C of E
(* usually indicates public grave - I think K 191 is also a common grave).

Wood Jessie 12 mo Grayson's Yd. Wigan Lane 17-Mar 1876 B 2 Non Con
Wood Mary Ann 15 Mins Graysons Yard 11-Aug 1883 B 2 Non Con
Baron Ann 87 Yrs Graysons Yd.Wigan Ln. 11-Mar 1887 B 2 Non Con
Baron Ellen 66 105 Gidlow Lane 14-Mar 1904 B 2 Non Con
[NB Dates are dates of burial]

Grayson's Yard was on Freckleton Street which runs between Wigan Lane and Swinley Lane abt 300m S of the Infirmary.

The one who married Molyneux was born EARLIER than 1840 - unless she lied about her age which would seem unlikely, as she was OLDER than her husband

Has she been found in censuses after the marriage?

Thank you so much mgnv for all the info, some of which I do have, some I don't, so it helps enormously. I have been checking the deaths on wiganworld, you have found more, will pop on later and have another look. Peter Baron and Ann are Mary Ann's parents, Ann nee Howarth, so I'm definitely on the right track. Will copy all this info and sift through it, Cheers.
I will check out this marriage again Reggie, as her father was Peter and not William, that's definite, thank you for your input, I'm sorted now.

Margaret - you're probably already aware, but just to make sure, if you take the cemetery URL, then there's links to half a dozen cemeteries in the left margin - including Ince Cemetery, which was literally the other side of the track, being accessed from Warrington Rd rather than its offshoot Cemetery Rd asWigan Cemetery is.

NB I also edited my previous post to add the census ref for the Baron/Howarth h/h which I inadvertently omitted.

mgnv, thank you for all this, it just helps when I was going round in circles. I'm going over to wiganworld in a mo, so will check all the cemeteries.
Peter Baron married Ann Howarth at St. Wilfrid's,so I have that, and Mary Ann on the 1861 with them. Think I have enough info for now to keep me going for a while.

And yes, Reggie you were right, wrong marriage. Cheers all, great input and Mike of course.

Check this look up again:

Marriage: 23 May 1820 St Wilfrids, Standish, Lancashire, England
Peter Baron - of This Parish
Ann Haworth - (X), of This Parish
Witness: George Winroux?; William Darbyshire
Married by Banns by: William Hodgson, Asst. Curate
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1825, Page 108, Entry 323
Source: LDS Film 1526141

Note that 10 marrs took place within 23/4/1820-23/6/1820 (counting our Peter's). All 10 have William Darbyshire as a witness.
I would say Wm is a "professional witness", probly some mate or rellie of the parish clerk.