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Hi there,

Is there any chance to be able to find out the maiden name of the wife on this census please?

I have all the necessary census but am struggling to find a marriage.

Best wishes,

Peter


1851 England Census about Edward Hollis
Name: Edward Hollis
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Hollis
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1s
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Piece: 2032
Folio: 508
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Hollis 41
Sarah Hollis 37
Sarah Hollis 17
Robert Hollis 13
Thomas Hollis 11
William Hollis 9
Hannah Hollis 10 Mo

Is the occupation the same as the census? If so, the marriage to Sarah was his second

ounty Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 132
MarriageDate 01 Nov 1837
GroomForename Edward
GroomSurname HOLLIES
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Widower
GroomOccupation Flour Dealer
GroomAbode Castle Street,Dudley
BrideForename Sarah
BrideSurname LLEWELLYN
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode King Street,Dudley
GroomFatherForename David
GroomFatherSurname HOLLIES
GroomFatherOccupation Glassmaker
BrideFatherForename Thomas
BrideFatherSurname LLEWELLYN
BrideFatherOccupation Keeper
WitnessOneForename Charles
WitnessOneSurname HARPER
WitnessTwoForename Mary
WitnessTwoSurname HARPER
Notes By Banns-Groom Bride & witnesses signed
FileNumber 34482

From http://www.freereg.org.uk

All possible births to an Edward and Sarah. If you purchase Hannah's BC it will give her mother's name.


George Hollis

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 19 June 1825 Dudley, Worcester, England
residence: Dudley, Worcester, England

father: Edward Hollis
mother: Sarah



Thomas Hollis

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 16 January 1840
christening: 16 February 1840 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

father: Edward Hollis
mother: Sarah




Esther Hollies

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 26 May 1848
christening: 11 June 1848 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
death: 5 April 1849

father: Edward Hollies
mother: Sarah



Hannah Hollies

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 24 May 1850
christening: 16 June 1850 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

father: Edward Hollies
mother: Sarah



Catherine Woodhouse Hollies

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 10 May 1849
christening: 8 July 1849 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

father: Edward Hollies
mother: Sarah



John Hollies

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 26 November 1852
christening: 28 November 1852 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

father: Edward Hollies
mother: Sarah



William Hollies

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 13 December 1841
christening: 16 January 1842 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

father: Edward Hollies
mother: Sarah





Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: HOLLIES, Hannah
Registration district: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1850
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 18
Page no: 300

Could be Aston or Field. You'll have to get the certificate to find out


Name: HOLLIS, Edward Osborne

Registration district: [?] Solihull

County: Warwickshire

Year of registration: 1842

Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 16

Page no: [?] 652
MarriageFinder™: [?] Edward Osborne Hollis married one of the following people Record
JENNINGS, Ann VIEW
TERRY, Ann VIEW
ASTON, Sarah VIEW
FIELD, Sarah VIEW

FOOD, William VIEW
ALLEN, Thomas VIEW
BAXTER, William VIEW

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Always double-check the original image of the index page to make sure that all the details, and especially volume and page numbers, are correct before ordering the certificate.
Order the marriage certificate online and wait for your certificate to be delivered.
If you are researching back in time, calculate the bride's and groom's approximate years of birth from the ages recorded on their marriage certificate, then search the birth indexes for their births around those dates.
If you are researching forward in time, then search the birth indexes for possible children of the marriage; this is easier from September quarter 1911, when the mother's maiden surname appears in the birth index; up to June quarter 1911 you may need to restrict your search by district.
As the marriage certificate will give you recorded ages at marriage, from which you can calculate approximate years of birth, it is possible also to start searching the death indexes for the deaths of the bride and groom if you know or believe them now to be deceased.
If the marriage was before 1911, you may wish to search for the couple on the census returns of 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911, as relevant.


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No, I found that marriage but the occupation is coal miner.

Thank you,

Hmmmm any other ideas?

I SUSPECT the name is Heathcock but would like a document to confirm.

1861 census transcription details for: Waterloo Street New Dock, Dudley
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2057
Folio: 85
Page: 14
Reg. District: Dudley
Sub District: 4 Dudley
Parish: Dudley
Enum. District: 22
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Waterloo Street New Dock, Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOLLIS, Edward Head Married M 51 1810 Coal Miner
Dudley, Worcestershire
HOLLIS, Sarah Wife Married F 48 1813
Dudley, Worcestershire
HOLLIS, William Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Iron Furnace Labourer
Dudley, Worcestershire
HOLLIS, Hannah Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Dudley, Worcestershire
HOLLIS, John Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Dudley, Worcestershire

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England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
about Edward Hollies

Name:Edward Hollies
Gender:Male
Marital Status:Widowed
Marriage Date:1 Nov 1837
Marriage Place:St. Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father:David Hollies
>>>>Spouse:Sarah Llewellyn
FHL Film Number:350620
Reference ID:Page 66 No 132

Andy

Thank you for all of this ... seems the best thing would be to buy the marriage certificate but looking at the 1851 Census, unless Sarah was a 'second marriage', then not sure there it seems there hasn't been an appropriate marriage found yet.

On a related note, can we find the father's details from this marriage please?

Samuel Heathcock

England Marriages, 1538–1973

marriage: 25 November 1845 Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England

spouse: Eliza Deavonport
Name Samuel Heathcock
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's Name Eliza Deavonport
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date 25 Nov 1845
Event Place Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worceste

Again, I don't need any of the census etc, just looking for the father's names.

Thank you.

Pity the Llewelyn marriage didn't fit, but at least you can rule it out.

Many of the children's baptisms are on http://www.freereg.org.uk/ and often give more information than the familysearch transcriptions.

Unfortunately they haven't transcribed the Deavonport/Heathcock marriage

Found this, but no marriage

http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com/St.Thomas,Dudley.htm

Thanks Detective although I am rather glad as I am hoping this is a Sarah Heathcock.

And thank you for the link to the transcriptions.

I have family events at those times in that church, so this must be a select transcription but thank you anyway.

Peter

Ancestry's version - note the number of FHL film numbers

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Samuel Heathcock
Name: Samuel Heathcock
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 25 Nov 1845
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Spouse: Eliza Deavonport
FHL Film Number: 378771, 378772, 378773, 378774, 378775, 378776, 378777

It isn't transcribed on Familysearch.(EDIT - or rather it is, but the father's name not shown) If you can get to your LDS local centre, you ought to be able to order one of the films to view the image.

Just mentioning this site, in case you weren't aware of it. Only good for registered events after civil registration began.

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi?county=westmidlands

Thank you again Detective - out of interest though, why are the FHL film numbers important?

It seems rather a large number of films!

As a guess, some might be Banns, at least one the Bishop Transcripts and another the actual register.

If you did want to order them to view, the numbers would be a starting point

Ah I see. I will need to see the marriage, as Samuel is related almost certainly, being one of two cousins ... question is, which one?!

Thank you.

Finding the original registers for this area can be a right pain. I've looked at Staffs RO, Worcester RO, Dudley Archives and Sandwell RO. All the areas overlap and the county boundaries between Worcester and Stafford moved over time. Also the Non Conformist registers are mainly at Sandwell, Arghhhhh.

Andy

Thank you Andy for the tip - that is really good to know!

Peter

Browsing another site and found this tip regarding familysearch - not sure how accurate it is
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you can check on familysearch website - if they have the record on their website, you may use their request form to obtain a copy of the records they hold for that entry - this is free of charge and you may request up to 4 records per month - the documents are then sent to you via email
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1841 census

Person: HOLLIES, Sarah Address: Grey Stone Street, Dudley

HOLLIES, Edward M 30 1811 Worcestershire VIEW
HOLLIES, Sarah F 28 1813 Worcestershire VIEW
HOLLIES, Sarah F 5 1836 Worcestershire VIEW
HOLLIES, Robert M 3 1838 Worcestershire VIEW
HOLLIES, Thomas M 1 1840 Worcestershire