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terry margaret

terry margaret Report 22 Apr 2014 13:32

Any help please.charles relf hawker was born in 1992 in Plumsted London.
His farther was relf hawker.
Charles made his way to Australian and married myrtle, the problem I have is I can't find any information on the departure port that he took

Mavis

Mavis Report 22 Apr 2014 13:44



you more than likely wont find any details of where he left from

records not about for then

Mavis

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2014 13:51

He was born 1892, not 1992:

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)
Hawker Charles Relf Woolwich 1d 1255

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Apr 2014 13:52

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)
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Hawker Charles Relf Woolwich 1d 1255

(do you mean above?, looks to be articles in newpapers below)


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

Chris :)

Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
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Denby Emma Jane Woolwich 1d 1409
HAWKER Relf Woolwich 1d 1409

terry margaret

terry margaret Report 22 Apr 2014 13:54

Yes sorry he was born 1892

greyghost

greyghost Report 22 Apr 2014 13:59

Think you are a bit out with year of birth!

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)
Hawker Charles Relf Woolwich 1d 1255

Could this be him, initials wrong way round. CAn't find him on the 1911 census to see if occupation correct?

First Name R C
Last Name HAWKER
Title MR
Age Transcribed 20
Year 1912
Departure Month 2
Departure Day 17
Ship name MARATHON
Ship Departure Port LONDON
Destination Port SYDNEY
State New South Wales
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination SYDNEY
Destination Place Country AUSTRALIA
Gender Male
Marital Status S
Occupation BLACKSMITH
Year Of Birth 1892
Birth Month -
Birth Day -
Country Of Birth -
Last Residence Country -
UK Address -
Ship Official Number 118184
Ship Master's First Name P J
Ship Master's Surname COLLINS
Ship Master's Title -
Shipping line ABERDEEN
City LONDON
Ship Destination Port BRISBANE
Ship Destination Country AUSTRALIA
Ship Square Feet 7908
Ship Registered Tonnage 3983
Number Of Passengers 343
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Apr 2014 13:59

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/1159119

(worth a google search, items look to relate, another Member searching some time ago)

Chris :)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2014 14:06

Occupation looks promising, Stuart.
In 1943 ER he's a "marking off engineer". Living with a Gwyneth May Hawker - daughter??

Married Myrtle Folkes in 1915 in NSW.

A tree on Ancestry says he married Ivy Alison McKay.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2014 14:09

I suspect "marked as answered" is because Terry has sent Chris a PM?? Or that she answered his query in the next post?

Or maybe she means Stuart's find is the correct one?

Wish GR would make the "mark as answered" facility instructions clearer.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Apr 2014 14:15

(no PM here!)

Chris :)

greyghost

greyghost Report 22 Apr 2014 14:22

Looking at one of the Ancestry trees, he married Myrtle (1896-1969) in 1915 by whom he had 2 children Dorothy Myrtle 1916 and Charles Relf 1918

and then married Ivy (1908-2001) in 1937

terry margaret

terry margaret Report 22 Apr 2014 16:18

Thanks sruart, but I can't find any information that you have listed on charles travel to
Australian, I went to travel and migration, and then to passenger list.
Any thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2014 17:05

Looks like it's from FindMyPast, Terry.
It'll be this one, which I can't open as I don't have a sub to FMP

HAWKER R C 1892 — 1912 Passenger lists Sydney, New South Wales, Australia .

It's not showing at all on Ancestry.

greyghost

greyghost Report 22 Apr 2014 19:29

Yes, it's from FMP - about the first record I've found that I've been looking for on the new, supposedly all singing all dancing site !!!!!!!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Apr 2014 19:39

Not sure that the Gwyneth May that he was with on the ER is a daughter:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Charles Relf Hawker
Spouse Name: Gweneth May Richardson
Marriage Date: 1942
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Drummoyne, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1942
Registration Number: 2614

(He and Myrtle had divorced 1922)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Apr 2014 19:41

His death:

Registration Number 30666/1964
Last Name HAWKER
Given Name(s) CHARLES RELF
Father's Given Name(s) RELF
Mother's Given Name(s) EMMA JANE
District ST LEONARDS

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Apr 2014 20:05

The RC Hawker departure that Stuart posted above was Robert Hawker when he arrived in Australia:

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Robert Hawker
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 6 Apr 1912
Vessel Name: Marathon

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Apr 2014 20:09

Ah, the 1942 marriage (and hence the 1943 ER mentioned above) is most likely a son of the same name. C R Hawker born 1892 died in 1964 (record above) so he couldn't still be alive for this:

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Charles Relf Hawker
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1980
State: New South Wales
District: Robertson
Subdistrict: Killarney Vale

Living with Gwyneth May Hawker.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Apr 2014 20:17

Looks like he wasn't using his middle name on the ER:

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Ivy Allison Hawker
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1943
State: New South Wales
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Dee Why

Living at The Drive, Harbord with Charles, an engineer

He didn't use his middle name on his remarriage:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Ivy Allison Mckay
Spouse Name: Charles Hawker
Marriage Date: 1937
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Ashfield, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1937
Registration Number: 12526

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Apr 2014 08:07

Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)
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Hawker Relf 43 Woolwich 1d 609


Name:Ralf Hawker
Record Type:Burial
Estimated Death Date:abt 1903
Burial Date:16 Jul 1903
Age:43
Estimated birth year:abt 1860
Parish or Poor Law Union:Plumstead St Margaret
Borough:Greenwich
Register Type:Parish Register
(abode, 7, Thomas St.)


Deaths Dec 1905 (>99%)
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Hawker Emma Jane 48 Woolwich 1d 743


Name:Emma Jane Hawker
Record Type:Burial
Estimated Death Date:abt 1905
Burial Date:5 Oct 1905
Age:48
Estimated birth year:abt 1857
Parish or Poor Law Union:Plumstead St Margaret
Borough:Greenwich
Register Type:Parish Register
(abode, Infirmary)

(looks like his Parents above, family Thomas St. 1901)

Chris :)