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Can anyone check this couple on the 1911 census. In burnley. Married 1906 . Had Florence 1908. Maybe Fred 1909. Both children died as babies. Think Mary Ann had a child prior to her marriage out of wedlock. Maybe born todmorden Yorkshire.
Thanks :-)

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9 Whittaker St Burnley Lancashire, Burnley, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Pate Head Married Male Cotton Mule Spinner 25 1886 Burnley Lancash
Mary Ann Pate Wife Married Female Cotton Weaver 23 1888 Yorks Todmorden
Fred Pate Son - Male - 1 1910 Burnley Lancashire
Fred Pate Brother Single Male Miner Under Ground 29 1882 Burnley Lancashire
Albert Pate Nephew - Male - 7 1904 Burnley Lancashire

Married 4 years 2 children born 1 has died

Pate Household (3 People)

1 Keppel Street , Burnley C.B., Lancashire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
John Pate 01 Jun 1885 Male Cotton Spinner Married 82 1
Mary A Pate 28 Aug 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 82 2
Joan Taylor (Pate) 07 Aug 1936 Female Under School Age Single 82 4

The original is also showing a closed record and a date of 10.3.59 written by Joan's name - presumably when her name changed

Registered in the last quarter of 1887

MARY ANN
Last name PICKLES
Birth year 1887
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District TODMORDEN
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9A
Page 227
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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This is little Florence's burial:

Burial: 11 Jan 1908 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Florence Pate -
Age: 10mnths
Abode: 9 Whitaker St
Grave: A14473
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1904 - 1909, Page 232, Entry 68784
Source: Original Registers Book 9

Are you sure that Fred died as I can't see either a burial or a death reg for him ??

Dea x

Fred didn't die until later, he was Joan's father.

Marriages Mar 1933 (>99%)
CALVERLEY Ivy Pate Burnley 8e 242
PATE Fred Calverley Burnley 8e 242

Fred's birth

FRED
Last name PATE
Birth year 1909
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District BURNLEY
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 216
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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His death

FRED
Last name PATE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1909
Age 28
Death quarter 4
Death year 1937
District BURNLEY
County Lancashire
Volume 8E
Page 251
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007


Maybe why Joan was with her grandparents in 1939

Thank you Roots - that is the one I had been looking at:

Marriage: 11 Mar 1933 Holy Trinity, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
Fred Pate - 23, Weaver, Bachelor, 38 Whittaker Street
Ivy Calverley - 19, Weaver, Spinster, 8 Kippel Street
Groom's Father: John Pate, Spinner
Bride's Father: James Calverley, Deceased, Engine Driver
Witness: Harry Calverley; George Alfred Calverley; Mary Brierley
Married by Banns by: B.E. Hughes, BA, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1926 - 1933, Page 228, Entry 456
Source: Original Parish Register


Burial: 24 Dec 1937 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Fred Pate -
Age: 28yrs
Abode: 19 Whitaker Street
Grave: A14474
Gender: M
Register: Burials 1933 - 1940, Page 202, Entry 109813
Source: Original Registers Book 14

Dea x :-D

Ivy died too.

Deaths Sep 1937
Pate Ivy 24 Burnley 8e 197

The death is correct:

Burial: 26 Aug 1937 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Ivy Pate -
Age: 24yrs
Abode: 17 Whittaker Street
Grave: A14474
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1933 - 1940, Page 189, Entry 109457
Source: Original Registers Book 14

The one in the above marriage to Fred Barker was a spinster with father named as James Pate, Deceased, Fireman

Dea x

Sorry Dea I deleted that marrige to Fred Barker when I saw the posting of Ivy,s death :-(

Thanks Dea. What site are you using for the burials please?

One of my favourites for the Lancashire area:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Dea x

Hi Shirley ;-) :-D :-D

Dea x

Lots of other useful things on that site too:


Baptism: 25 Oct 1936 Holy Trinity, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
Joan Pate - [Child] of Fred Pate & Ivy
Born: 7 Oct 1936
Abode: 12 Whittaker Street
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: T. G. Watkins
Register: Baptisms 1936 - 1942, Page 4, Entry 30
Source: Original Parish Register



Banns: Holy Trinity, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
John Goodman Taylor - 26, B, 5 Third Av., Parish of St Mary, Torquay
Joan Pate - 21, S, 12 Whittaker St., Of this parish
First Reading: 5 Oct 1958; Read By: J.R.W.
Second Reading: 12 Oct 1958; Read By: J.R.W.
Third Reading: 19 Oct 1958; Read By: J.R.W.
Notes: Married 20/12/58
Source: Original Parish Register

Marriage: 20 Dec 1958 Holy Trinity, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
John Goodman Taylor - 26, Royal Navy, Bachelor, 5 Third Av. Daison, Torquay
Joan Pate - 21, G.P.O Telephonist, Spinster, 12 Whitehead St.
Groom's Father: George Taylor, Blacksmith
Bride's Father: Frederick Pate, Deceased
Witness: Gordon S___els; Dorothy Hopwood
Married by Banns by: J. R. Wilson, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1950 - 1964, Page 159, Entry 318
Source: Original Parish Register


Dea x

Deaths Jun 1967
PATE MARY A 79 BURNLEY 10B 715


Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Pate -
Age: 79yrs
Abode: Lowerhouse Lane
Grave: NE11782
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1958 - 1975, Page 181, Entry 136379
Source: Original Registers Book 17

Deaths Jun 1953
PATE John 67 Burnley 10b 633

Burial: 4 Jun 1953 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
John Pate -
Age: 67yrs
Abode: 12 Whittaker Street
Grave: NE11782
Gender: M
Register: Burials 1948 - 1958, Page 152, Entry 126171
Source: Original Registers Book 16

Thanks Dea.

On of the witnesses at Joan's marriage may have been her sister b. 1933

There is LOADS of info on there for this family bu,t of course, the poster may already have all this.

It would be good if she would come back and tell us what else she needs.

Dea x

First name(s) DOROTHY
Last name PATE
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1957
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DOROTHY PATE married
KENNETH HOPWOOD
Spouse's last name HOPWOOD
District BURNLEY
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 1470
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Marriage: 26 May 1906 St Peter, Burnley, Lancashire, England
John Pate - 21, Spinner, Bachelor, 16 Craven St.
Mary Ann Pickles - 20, Spinster, 2 Boot St.
Groom's Father: William Henry Pate, Spinner
Bride's Father: Alfred Pickles, Weaver

in 1891 born Todmorden living Habergham Eaves

Alfred Pickles 30
Jonnina Pickles 26 (Jemima)
Bertha Pickles 6
Mary Ann Pickles 3