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Hi,
I have a dilemma maybe you have some suggestions.
My Gt Grandfather Henry George New B 1874 in Oxford m a woman called Louisa Elizabeth Cole Bex in 1896 in Thornton Heath and they had 2 children Victor John and William James. In the 1911 census he is living with his wife called Sarah new in Croydon with 4 children - victor, William but also Edith Winifred and Annie Muriel - it states on the census that they have been married 15 years and have had 5 children. This puts them married at the same time as he married Louisa Elizabeth
Henry George marries again in 1920 as a 'widower'
I cannot find any deaths or divorces from his first wife or second- nor can I find a marriage to his second wife.
Q- Was Louisa really Sarah and vise versa?
Q- what happened to the rest of their children
Q- Did someone lie to the census people?
any ideas or evidence gratefully received! :-D

Maybe they were just living together.

People didnt want others to know their business so they would lie to cover up

looks like the other child may be Sarah,s

there is a big gap from 1899 birth to the youngest one

would suggest getting the birth cert of the youngest to see mums name

Births Sep 1909
NEW Annie Muriel Croydon 2a 260

????births Mar 1898
Ward Edith Winifred Croydon 2a 231

edit maybe not
1901 census
Name: Edith W Ward
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Montague Ward
Mother: Annie Ward
Birth Place: Thornton Heath
Civil Parish: Croydon
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 73
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 646
Folio: 137
Page Number: 17
Household schedule number: 105
Household Members:
Name Age
Montague Ward 39
Annie Ward 42
Alice E Ward 12
Annie L Ward 10
Helen T Ward 8
Edith W Ward 3
Mary T Beauchamp

but theres no birth reg for an Edith w New

For Reference: 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
128, Livingstone Road, Croydon, Surrey, England

Henry G New Head Married Male 26 1875 Plasterer Henley on Thames, Oxfordshire,
Louisa New Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Essex, England
Victor J New Son - Male 3 1898 - Surrey, England
William J New Son - Male 2 1899 - Surrey, England
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
66 Exeter Road Croydon Surrey, Croydon, Surrey, England

Henry George New Head Married Male Plasterer 36 1875 Oxford Watlington
Sarah New Wife Married Female - 43 1868 Hereford Ashwell
Edith Winifred New Daughter - Female School 14 1897 Surrey Croydon
Victor John New Son - Male School 13 1898 Surrey Croydon
William James New Son - Male School 12 1899 Surrey Croydon
Annie Muriel New Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Surrey Croydon

1939:

New Household (5 People) 19 Waverley Road , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England

Henry G New 13 Jun 1874 Male Plasterer Building Trade Married
Nellie New 10 Feb 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Albert G Cox 24 Feb 1899 Male Clerk Incapacitated Married
Phyllis A Cox 05 Oct 1902 Female Clerk Drapers & Furnishers Married
Lily O (Lillian) New 17 Apr 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
One closed record

hi thanks for the replies thus far
Shirley- where did you get the other child might be Sarah?
also I got the youngest childs birth cert- the mothers name is Sarah New Late Williams, formerly Winters

Also Ward Edith Winifred Croydon 2a 231- is this meant to be Edith new if so where is the 'ward'

Thanks Austin Q I have this info

Above was just for reference to aid searching.

Sarah, with daughter, Edith in 1901??

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
124, Livingstone Road, Croydon, Surrey, England

Sarah Williams Head Widow Female 33 1868 Laundress Ashwell, Hertfordshire,
Eunice Williams Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Catford, Kent, England
Sarah Williams Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Catford, Kent, England
Edith Williams Daughter - Female 4 1897 - London, England
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Edith's birth:

First name(s) EDITH WINIFRED
Last name WILLIAMS
Birth year 1896
Birth quarter 3
District LAMBETH
County London
Volume 1D Page 324
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There is no record of marriage for Sarah and Henry- it looks as though they were living as man and wife- one or both were probably still married.

Henry G New

England and Wales Census, 1891




Name Henry G New
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Oxfordshire
Parish Pishill
Ecclesiastical Parish PISHILL
Registration District Henley
Residence Note Pishill
Gender Male
Age 16
Occupation General Assistant
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Birthplace Oxfordshire, England
Page Number 4
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 1159/ 60


John New Head M 42 Oxfordshire, England
Annie New Wife F 43 Oxfordshire, England
Henry G New Son M 16 Oxfordshire, England
Emily M New Daughter F 14 Berkshire, Wellingford
Louisa M New Daughter F 12 Oxfordshire, England

Name Henry George New
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Surrey
Parish Croydon
Sub-District South Croydon
Registration District Croydon
Gender Male
Age 36
Birthplace Oxford Watlington, Oxfordshire
Record Type Household

Ann- I think Kevin has all the census for Henry- and 1911 posted above

not a child Sarah but a child of Sarah who is living as Henrys wife in 1911

i looked for a possible birth for Edith born Croydon and the one surname ward looked likely but 1901 census ruled that one out

seems you already now her surname anyway ie Williams :-)

Name Henry George New
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Stoke-Talmage, Oxfordshire, England
Registration District Thame
Gender Male
Age 6
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Birthplace Cookley, Oxfordshire, England
Page Number 9
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 1492/85
Affiliate Record Type Household

John New Head M 32 Pishill, Oxfordshire, England
Annie New Wife F 33 Draton, Oxfordshire, England
Charles New Son M 9 Park Corner, Oxfordshire, England
Henry George New Son M 6 Cookley, Oxfordshire, England
Emily Mary New Daughter F 4 Wallingford, Berkshire, England
Louisa Margaret New Daughter F 2 Stoke Talmage, Oxfordshire, England

Ann! I think he has the info re Henry

This could be Sarah 1891- although possible child Eunice- now listed as Bithiah?

Name: Sarah Williams
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Jonah Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashwell, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Georges
County/Island: London
Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 521
Folio: 186
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Jonah Williams 28
Sarah Williams 23
Bithiah Williams 3 Catford, Kent, England
Eliza Williams 2/12
Bessie Holden 16

aha! this is the birth of Eunice - tying the 1891 & 1901 census:

Name: Bethiah Unius Williams
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d Page: 1142

thanks all.
you star Austin, I think you cracked it.
In 1901 Henry lived at 128 Livingstone road so Sarah was a neighbour who lived at 124
so it appears that Henry at some point when Louisa left or died moved in with Sarah and her children and they assumed his name without marrying?

I wonder what happened to Louisa? If I get time I might take a look later- I hate loose ends :)

Oh please, this has been bugging me for years. Apparently my granddad said he remembered having her pointed out to him in the street as his 'step mum' - if you could find anything I know my family would be grateful;.
Info I have on her is as follows
Born Louisa Cole, in 1878 He rname morphed into Cole bex on her marriage cert. This appears to be because something happened and she was then passed to her aunt Mary Ann Cole (widowed) who had married a James Issac Bex . This would explain why Louisa is also known as Louisa Cole-Bex.
In the 1881 census she appears with her step- brother James Bex for the first time. She is still registered as Louise Cole she then disappears from records in the 1891 census– James goes on to marry my great granddads sister Louisa so the families were joined by more than one marriage in more than one generation
:-(

is this louisa bex in 1891


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Louisa Bex

England and Wales Census, 1891

Name Louisa Bex
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Hampshire
Parish Portsea
Ecclesiastical Parish ST MARY
Registration District Portsea Island
Residence Note Moorland Road
Gender Female
Age 13
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1878
Birthplace Essex, England
Page Number 3
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 858/ 96



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

James Bex Head M 33 Surrey, England
Louisa Bex Daughter F 13 Essex, England
James Bex Son M 11 Essex, England

yep- another score !

Any name for Father of Louisa Cole?...

Chris :)

(just wondered as below on Find My Past, would be Herts/Essex way)

Cole Louisa Elizabeth - 1877 Hertfordshire Baptisms Waltham Cross, England


(1877 Oct. 7. Parents, John & Mary. occ. Plasterer. Abode, Leyton, Walthamstow)


Edits (now found 1896 Marriage, Ancestry, Father James Isaac Bex.)

(apologies if already here somewhere, being quick!)