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john williams 1866 port madoc

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Lynn

Lynn Report 30 Oct 2016 16:48

John Williams born wales...moved to Liverpool/Sheffield(1891 census) then preston sussex street where my grandad was born George Williams 1910.
John was married to Mary naylor in 1890 Liverpool.

I'm looking for links to his father/grandfather etc.

He is difficult to pinpoint with just the name....there are quite a few of them !!
Any assistance would be most welcome...whilst I wait in hope of responses to my e-mails from possible inked trees....REGARDS LYNN

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 Oct 2016 16:54

For info.



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Sussex Street Preston, Preston, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male Wood Cutting Machinist 45 1866 Carnarvonshire Portmadoe
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Mary Williams Wife Married Female - 42 1869 Lpool Lancs
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William Williams Son Single Male Painter And Decorators Apprentice 20 1891 Sheffield Yorks
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Elizabeth Williams Daughter Single Female Weaver 17 1894 Lpool Lancs
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John Williams Son Single Male Wireworkers Apprentice 15 1896 Preston Lancs
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Owen Williams Son Single Male School 13 1898 Preston Lancs
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Mary Williams Daughter Single Female School 11 1900 Preston Lancs
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Ruth Williams Daughter Single Female School 9 1902 Preston Lancs
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Joseph Williams Son Single Male School 6 1905 Preston Lancs
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Stanley Williams Son Single Male School 4 1907 Preston Lancs
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Nellie Williams Daughter Single Female - 2 1909 Preston Lancs
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George Williams Son Single Male - 1 1910 Preston Lancs
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Edmund Williams Son Single Male - 0 1911 Preston Lancs
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Mary Naylor Mother In Law Widow Female - 69 1842 Lpool Lancs

Lynn

Lynn Report 30 Oct 2016 16:59

thanks - I have the 1911 census info - looking for anything between 1867-1881 and prior if possible.

I can't believe how many children they had !! :-) :-)

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Oct 2016 17:01

Are you a year out with the marriage?

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) JOHN
Last name WILLIAMS
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1889
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ JOHN WILLIAMS married one of these people
MARY ELLEN NAYLOR, MARY ANN MORRIS
District WEST DERBY
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 593

and from http://www.lan-opc.org.uk - useful for bmd Lancashire and free

There was 1 match for this search! Gives Father's name to help in search

Marriage: 21 Apr 1889 St George, Everton, Lancashire, England
John Williams - 23, Merchant, Bachelor, 6 Mere Lane
Mary Ellen Naylor - 20, Spinster, 6 Mere Lane
Groom's Father: John Williams, Deceased, Captain <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Bride's Father: Joseph Naylor, Joiner
Witness: William Naylor; Elizabeth Croft
Married by Banns by: A. F. Mitchell
Register: Marriages 1886 - 1893, Page 99, Entry 198
Source: LDS Film 2147879

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Oct 2016 17:02

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(quite a few Births on above, Mother Maiden Name Naylor)

Chris :)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909

WILLIAMS George NAYLOR North Preston Preston NP/17/26

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Oct 2016 17:02

We don't know what information you have Lynn - it helps us to help you to post what we find as we go along.
What information do you have 1881 onwards - it also helps us!

Lynn

Lynn Report 30 Oct 2016 17:05

that is really helpful - thankyou...I have picked up links to ships in records but just couldn't be sure....

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 Oct 2016 17:07

This is the closest marriage I could find.

Name: Mary Ellen Naylor
Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 20
Marriage Date: 21 Apr 1889
Parish: Everton, St George
Spouse's Name: John William, machinist
Father's name: Joseph Naylor, joiner
Spouse Father's Name: John William, captain (dec)
Reference Number: 283 GEV/3/13


William Naylor and Elizabeth Croft were witnesses.

Lynn

Lynn Report 30 Oct 2016 17:08

1891 census info - living in sheffield 1st son born William Williams.

It is the older records I would be looking for from Wales...linking back to his father and beyond.....many thanks Lynn

Andrew

Andrew Report 30 Oct 2016 17:13

Possible 1871??

Father John is a Mariner

Name: John Williams
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Williams
Mother's name: Catherine Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Portmadoc, Caernarfonshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
Town: Portmadoc
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 5700
Folio: 109
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 48
Catherine Williams 46
Jane E Williams 19
Grace Williams 12
David Williams 7
John Williams 3
Catherine Williams 7 Months

Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 30 Oct 2016 17:25

Same family 1861

Name: John Williams
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Ynyscynhaiarn
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 195
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4327
Folio: 42
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 38 Seaman
Catherine Williams 36
John Williams 11
Jane E Williams 9
Evan Williams 7
Grace Williams 3

Andy

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Oct 2016 17:26

Father Captain of a Tug Boat !

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
66, Madoc Street, Ynys-Cynhaiarn (Carnarvon), Festinog, Merionethshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male 58 1823 Captain Of A Tug Boat (Dock Serv) Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales
Catherine Williams Wife Married Female 56 1825 - Dolgelly, Merionethshire, Wales
Jane Ellin Williams Daughter Single Female 28 1853 - Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Evan Williams Son Single Male 26 1855 Mariner Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
David Williams Son Single Male 17 1864 Stoker Of A Railway (Rywy Dom) Caernarvonshire, Wales
John Williams Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Caernarvonshire, Wales
Kate Williams Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Caernarvonshire, Wales

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Oct 2016 17:29

The 1891 you mention - John born Portmadoc

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Manners Street, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male 25 1866 Moulding Machine Man Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mary E Williams Wife Married Female 22 1869 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William O Williams Son - Male 0 1891 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Mary Naylor Mother In Law Widow Female 49 1842 Dressmaker Sefton, Lancashire, England

Andrew

Andrew Report 30 Oct 2016 17:29

and 1851

Name: John Williams
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Williams
Mother's name: Catherine Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bangor
Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor
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Town: Bangor
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bangor
Sub-registration district: Bangor
ED, institution, or vessel: 1l
Piece: 2518
Folio: 238
Page Number: 15
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 28 Mariner
Catherine Williams 26
John Williams 1

Andy



Lynn

Lynn Report 30 Oct 2016 17:29

very helpful thank you...did you find that info on this site John?

Lynn

Lynn Report 30 Oct 2016 17:30

Andrew sorry !! :-) toooo many johns

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2016 17:33

Hardly any of the helpers look for records on GR, Lynn.

We mostly use Ancestry (where I think Andrew found those), or FindMyPast or FamilySearch

Andrew

Andrew Report 30 Oct 2016 17:37

Yes Ancestry for my mine.

Andy

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 Oct 2016 17:37

1851 from fmp. Andrew got his from ancestry.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Infant Lane, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male 28 1823 Mariner Llanfrothen, Merionethshire, Wales
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Catherine Williams Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Dolgelly, Merionethshire, Wales
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John Williams Son - Male 1 1850 Infant Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Andrew

Andrew Report 30 Oct 2016 17:40

Just tried looking for marriage for John Williams and Catherine around 1848-50. There are loads of possibles just in Bangor. I think you will need a birth cert of a child to find Catherines maiden name.

Andy