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He was born 1789c in suffolk, I think I have found him as a pauper in 1861 census in suffolk county, reg district, district bosmere, Parish barham but cannot find out more, Does anyone know how i can trace more? This shows he is married, not widowed. aged 72.
would be very grateful ith any help. thankyou
donna

The one you have above is with his wife Cecellia aged 69 and born in Galway Ireland.

They are both in the workhouse.

I will see if I can find them on previous census.....

Dea x

Here they are in 1851:


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mickfield Hall, Mickfield, Bosmere, Suffolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Collins Head Married Male 61 1790 Ag Lab Mickfield, Suffolk, England
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Ciscila Collins Wife Married Female 53 1798 - Ireland
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Walter Collins Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 - Mickfield, Suffolk, England

Dea x

The family (without John) in 1841:


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mickfield Street, Mickfield, Bosmere & Claydon, Suffolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Cecilia Collins Female 45 1796 Ireland
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Walter Collins Male 15 1826 Suffolk, England
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Cecilia Collins Female 13 1828 Suffolk, England
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Connor Collins Male 10 1831 Suffolk, England
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Catherine Collins Female 8 1833 Suffolk, England

Dea x

One below...

Chris :)

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Mickfield
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 24 Jan 1790
Birth date 6 Jan 1790
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename James
Father surname COLLINS
Mother forename Elizabeth
Mother surname HAMMOND

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link)

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Mickfield
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 69
Baptism date 06 May 1820
Birth date 22 Apr 1820
Person forename John
Person sex M
Person abode Mickfield
Father forename John
Father surname COLLINGS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Cicely
Mother surname HALLADIN
Register note Mother given name Sarah or Cicely.

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Mickfield
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 128
Baptism date 11 Nov 1827
Person forename Cicely
Person sex F
Person abode Mickfield
Father forename John
Father surname COLLINS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Sarah
Mother surname HALLADIN
Register note Given name of mother Sarah alias Cicely.


(if that Daughter below)

County Suffolk
Place Mickfield
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 43
Marriage date 30 Oct 1858
Groom forename John
Groom surname TAYLOR
Groom age full age
Groom condition Widower
Groom abode Stonham Aspal
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Cecilia
Bride surname COLLINS
Bride age full age
Bride condition Spinster
Groom father forename Martin
Groom father surname TAYLOR
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename John
Bride father surname COLLINS
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness John WARD
Witness Catherine WARD
Register note Groom and Witness 1 made mark. Others signed


Edits (below, a possible for Parents of John 1790)

Suffolk Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) James
Last name Collings
Marriage year 1777
Marriage date 04 Aug 1777
Marriage place Helmingham
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Hammond
County Suffolk

I can't be sure of where John is in 1841 - how does he connect to your family and how have you worked back to him please?

Dea x

EDIT: - 'Mornin Chris ! :-)

(Mornin' Dea, eyeballs not fully open yet, engaging brain, lol)

Chris :)

Do you think this might have been the marriage of the witnesses on the above wedding, making Catherine Celecia's sister??

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
**Collins Catharine Ipswich 4a 1359
**Collins Catherine Ipswich 4a 1359
DOWNS George Ipswich 4a 1359
**Ward John Ipswich 4a 1359
Welham Elizabeth Ipswich 4a 1359

Dea x

Yes, would say so!...

Chris :)

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Mickfield
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 178
Baptism date 21 Jul 1833
Person forename Catherine
Person sex F
Person abode Mickfield
Father forename John
Father surname COLLINS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Cicily
Register note Given name of mother Sarah alisa Cicily


(below, looking to be first in Mickfield)

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Mickfield
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 69
Baptism date 06 May 1820
Birth date 22 Apr 1820
Person forename John
Person sex M
Person abode Mickfield
Father forename John
Father surname COLLINGS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Sarah
Mother surname HALLADIN

Looks like it was...............


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stowmarket Road, Stonham Parva, Bosmere, Suffolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Ward Head Married Male 26 1835 Ag Lab Suffolk, England
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Catherine Ward Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Mickfield, Suffolk, England
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James Moore Collins Stepson - Male 6 1855 Scholar Notting Hill, Middlesex, England
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John Ward Son - Male 2 1859 - Mickfield, Suffolk, England
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William Ward Son - Male 1 1860 - -



Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
WARD, WILLIAM COLLINS Order
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in BOSMERE AND CLAYDON Volume 04A Page 549 Order

WARD, JOHN COLLINS Order
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in BOSMERE AND CLAYDON Volume 04A Page 484

I wonder where the 'stepson' came from ??? ;-)

Dea x

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=113839.0

(looks like 1841 on above)

Chris :)

I am soo greatful for all this help and infomation, okay, so john collins born 1820c is my nans 'great grandfather', He also was born mickfield suffolk,...
One of john Collins sons is Hugh Bourne Collins born 1860 in nayland/mayland essex. most of Hugh Bourne Collins children in my tree I have got by my nan remembering her Aunts and uncles so very handy there!
I want to now that I am on the right track with going back
donna

Am I putting enough info on, I dont feel I have,

I have a william collins 1851c, mayland suffolk.
son of john collins 1820

So below look to fit for reference then...

(well things look like they are fitting, so far!)

Chris :)

COLLINS, HUGH BOURNE HATCH)
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 371

Marriages Dec 1844 (>99%)
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COLLINES John Tendring 12 513
COLLINS John Tendring 12 513
Hatch Sarah Tendring 12 513


Stoke-by-Nayland is a village and civil parish in Suffolk, England, close to the border with Essex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoke-by-Nayland

Maylandsea, and the adjacent Mayland, are villages on the Dengie peninsula in the English county of Essex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maylandsea


COLLINS, WILLIAM ADDY (HATCH)
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 12 Page 467

Thank you, How do I search parish's? Yes I had a sarah hatch marr john collins 1844 essex tendring?
donna

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(above covers some Parishes in Counties, but not all!)

You can be lucky and find some on Find My Past, Ancestry, FamilySearch.org etc...

But in the main, Archives for Counties would be the place...(google search would bring them up)

Chris :)

Which Parish did that 1844 Marriage take place?...(I presume you have the cert. for it?)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

(if not, you need above for ordering)


http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/ParishRegisters.aspx

(if actually in Essex, above can be searched online, subscription needed)


http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/tendring.html

(above for Parishes covered in Tendring)

(adding below for reference, Notes Nayland, not Mayland on image!)

Chris :)

1861 (Find My Past)
John Collins Head Married Male 40 1821 ... Micklefield, Suffolk, England
Sarah Collins Wife Married Female 36 1825 Farmers Wife Suffolk, England (Kirby)
John S Collins Son - Male 12 1849 Poultery Assistant Walton, Essex, England
William A Collins Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Mayland, Suffolk, England
Martha A Collins Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Mayland, Suffolk, England
George E Collins Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Mayland, Suffolk, England
Henry W Collins Son - Male 2 1859 Scholar Mayland, Suffolk, England
Hugh B Collins Son - Male 0 1861
House name Farthings Farm
Street Corley Road
Parish Nayland
County Suffolk
Registration district Sudbury
Enumeration district 6
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 1128
Folio number 104
Page number 15


(if Kirby below, as given for Sarah, that is on Seax Parish link above)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby-le-Soken

Kirby-le-Soken is a small village in the Tendring District of North East Essex,


Edits (now found on below!, IF William given for Father on 1844 Marriage)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

County Essex
Place Kirby-le-Soken
Church name St Michael
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 407
Baptism date 15 Jan 1826
Person forename Sarah
Person sex F
Person abode Kirby-le-Soken
Father forename William
Father surname HATCH
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Lydia


County Essex
Place Kirby-le-Soken
Church name St Michael
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 66
Marriage date 03 Nov 1820
Groom forename William
Groom surname HATCH
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Lydia
Bride surname SMITH
Bride condition spinster
Witness William BISHOP
Witness Joseph WESBROOM
Register note By banns


(below was also a Daughter)

Marriages Sep 1845 (>99%)
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Hatch Lydia Tendring 12 397
STEGGLES William Tendring 12 397

hi,
yes I have been looking and found baptism of catherine collins on 21 july 1833, father john collins mother sarah halladin at the same parish as the others,
I am soo grateful for the help.

donna

Now just need to know details from that 1844 Marriage Cert...

Chris :)