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Trying to find birth details of Dorothy Iris James. She was born in Plymouth in 1924 and married Albert Henry Cull in 1948. Can't find a birth as I believe she may have been adopted. Is there any way records exist of adoptions/ or would her marriage certificate state he "parents" biological or adoptive. Thanks guys!!

If that was her adopted name then the marriage cert will name her adopted father

Once adopted all ref to her pre adoption won't show

Marriages Sep 1947
Cull Albert H James Poole 6a 1712
James Dorothy I J Cull Poole 6a 1712

I don't think adoptions started until 1929 unless it was a private adoption. Are you certain she was born in Plymouth?

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Births Sep 1924 (>99%)
Roberts Dorothy I J Roberts Plymouth 5b 377



First name(s) DOROTHY IRIS J
Last name CULL
Gender Female
Birth day 12
Birth month 7
Birth year 1924
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 2001
District Birmingham
District number 0611H
Register number H18B
Entry number 065
Date of registration mm/yy 0101
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
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First name(s) DOROTHY IRIS J
Last name CULL
Gender Female
Birth day 12
Birth month 7
Birth year 1924
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 2001
District Birmingham
District number 0611H
Register number H18B
Entry number 065
Date of registration mm/yy 0101
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

could this be Dorothy

Births Sep 1924
Roberts
 Dorothy I J
 Roberts
 Plymouth
 5b
377

could be her mother married a james and changed her name

could this be her mothers marriage

Marriages Jun 1933 
James
 Henry W
 Roberts
 Plymouth
 5b
626
  
ROBERTS
 Ethel M
 James
 Plymouth
 5b
626

I thought that too Malyon when I posted that birth earlier as it tie in with the DOB given on the death I posted. Only snag is, I can't see that couple on the 1939 register to see if there is a closed record with them.

I looked for a marriage for a dorthy I j Roberts could not find one

I think if I was Kevin, I would be buying that birth certificate to see who the Mum was and then try to trace the Mum. Without her name it is very difficult for us to find a possible marriage for her. It may even be the case that she never married but lived with the father of her daughter who was then known by his surname.


I would certainly buy the marriage certificate to see if she names a father. An address and the names of the witnesses may also help to track down the correct birth.

Thanks so much for your advice all ????

The son of Dorothy and Albert Cull knew his mother was adopted and "thinks" she was Dorothy Jones- could that possibly be the J of Dorothy I J James??

Kevin ............

the marriage certificate will spell out all names in full, so if you buy the certificate, you will find out. Otherwise it is guesswork!

As Sylvia has said, the marriage certificate may give Dorothy's name in full and possibly a father's name either real or adopted. It may then help to trace them on the 1939 register although Dorothy's record is probably still closed.

As you seem to know she was born in Plymouth, I personally would be inclined to buy that Dorothy I. J. Roberts birth certificate to see the exact DOB and check if it matches your Dorothy's DOB.

If you do buy any of the certificates, it would be good if you returned to the thread to let us know the outcome.

Will do. Thank you- I like this web site

In case you don't know Kevin.........the best place to order certificates in online here....

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Prickles;o))

Hi All
Thanks for the info about where to buy the certificates. Ones I bought previously through Ancestary.com and they were very expensive -£22 with a 3 week wait too.
Anyhow I have obtained the marriage certificate for Albert Henry Cull and Dorothy Iris Joan James (9th July 1947). It gave her age as 22 and her Fathers name as Joseph John James (Deceased)-a Fish Hawker.One of the witnesses has crossed off a name and put ames as surname but I can't quite make the original out- could be Harris

Will this help any in my research thanks again

simply because of the area and occupation


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
49 Stillman St Plymouth, Plymouth, Devon, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph John James Head Married Male Fish Hawker 35 1876 Plymouth Devon
Mary Ann James Wife Married Female - 34 1877 Plymouth Devon
George James Son - Male - 12 1899 Plymouth Devon
Alfred James Son - Male - 8 1903 Plymouth Devon
Reginald James Son - Male - 2 1909 Plymouth Devon


Name: Joseph J James
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Sep 1940
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 767

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Deaths Sep 1940 (>99%)
James Joseph J 63 Plymouth 5b 767