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Liz ***** Your welcome. They definatly ring a bell, I remember the names and that address. Pen x

Hi Pen, Thank you ever so much for those look ups. You are a star!!! No I definitely haven't asked for them before, must be somebody else.....hmmmm interesting. As for an inheritance *sigh* I live in hope!!!!! lol Very much appreciated Liz x

Jean ****** Well, with what you have just told me, I would say it HAS to be them. I can find no better match and if the family had lived at that address previously and Thomas was also a middle name..... Nite Jean Pen x

Added by Liz & Alicia In N Z on 16/01/2007 19:59:17 Hello again Pen, Could you please look up in the 1851 & 1861 census William Henry Morden Carthew b 1842 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk Thank you Liz ************************************************** Hi Liz Have we not done this before Liz ?? 1861 Name: William Henry Marden Carthew Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Son Mother's name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Woodbridge, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Woodbridge Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Woodbridge County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Woodbridge Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Carthew 50 abt 1811 Bondgate, Westmorland, England Head William Henry Marden Carthew 18 Ruth Jewell 27 abt 1834 Hardingham, Norfolk, England Servant Frances Shaw 61 abt 1800 Bondgate, Westmorland, England Visitor Lucy Shaw 55 abt 1806 Bondgate, Westmorland, England Visitor Address - Cumberland Street Occupation of William - scholar Occupatin for Charlotte - land proprietor - down as a widow ****************************************************** 1851 Name: Charlotte Carthan Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Bongate, Westmorland, England Civil parish: Woodbridge Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Woodbridge County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Woodbridge Sub-registration district: Carlford ED, institution, or vessel: 9a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 104 Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Carthan 40 Thos Carthan 10 abt 1841 Where born: Woodbridge, Suffolk, England son Wm H M Carthan 8 abt 1843 Where born: Woodbridge, Suffolk, England son Mary Ann Self 16 abt 1835 Where born: Kirton, Suffolk, England underservant Susannah Self 21 abt 1830 Where born: Kirton, Suffolk, England housemaid Lucy Shaw 45 abt 1806 Where born: Bongate, Westmorland, England sister Eliza Smith 27 abt 1824 Where born: Saxmundham, Suffolk, England, cook Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1801; Folio: 564; Page: 23; GSU roll: 207450-207451. Ooooo Liz, Occupation for Charlotte - Gentlewoman landed proprietress Does this mean you could be in for a few bob then? pmsl Address - Cumberland Street nite Pen x

Jackie Walker Hi Pen Hope you are well, can I ask you for a look up please on 1901 census for Hannah Murray born Stockport c1872, her husband is John. Thank you Jackie x *********************************************************************** Hi Jackie Yes thanks - keeping well and VERY busy, lol. 1901 - could this be her ...? Name: Hannah Murray Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Otley, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Stockport Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Stockport County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Stockport Sub-registration district: Stockport First ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Murray 28 John Murray 29 Address - 148 Daw Baul or Daw Bow Occupation of John - hatter Any good / Pen x

Jean ****** Sorry Jean having trouble spotting them on the 1901. Can you give me the fathers details for Ada - that may I can find her on the 1881 and gain her birhplace. Pen x There is also this one from 1901 but a Thomas, lol..... could the enumerator of muddled the names ??? Name: Ada Martin Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Poplar, London, England Civil parish: Newington Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Peter, Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 480 Household Members: Name Age Ada Martin 23 Henry Martin 3/12 abt 1900 Where born: Walworth, London, England Sarah Martin 14 months abt 1900 Where born: Walworth, London, England Thomas Martin 33 Where born: Southwark, London, England abt 1868 Thomas has the occupation of Carman Address - 31 Kingston Street Pen x

Hello again Pen, Could you please look up in the 1851 & 1861 census William Henry Morden Carthew b 1842 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk Thank you Liz

Jean ******* Still looking for you Pen x

Jean ******* Have just added a possible to my last posting for you. Pen x

Added by Jean,300171 Gc on 16/01/2007 18:24:46 Hi penelope could you possibly do a 1901 census look up ?im looking for Jacob Henry Martin{known as Henry} and wife Ada Elizabeth as I have just found out he got married in 1899.so im wondering if perhaps there may be children of the marriage?address on wedding cert was 14 Brandon Street Newington?as they married at St, John's church Newington.Jean. ****************************************** Any idea of ages, birthplaces? Have looked, but nothing jumping out at me. Pen x *****UPDATE 19:35 Could this be them, without ages and birthplaces, it's tricky.... 1901 Name: Henry Martin Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Stoke Newington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Dalston County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 10 Hayling Road Occupation: journeyman baker Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 164 Household Members: Name Age Michael Collins 23 cousin, occupation groom abt 1878 Hardwick, Oxfordshire, England Eliza Martin 30 berks, goosey Henry Martin 36

Pamela Ward ******************* 1891 nothing coming up, did he have a wife, children ? Is this him on the 1881 census then ... Name: Edwin Davies Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Father's name: Charles Mother's name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 1 Whittington Tce Occupation: Shopman Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 71a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred S. Davies 26 Caroline E. Davies 21 Charles Davies 69 Edwin Davies 28 Emma L. Davies 33 Mary Ann Davies 62 *************************************************** **UPDATE ** ?? Any additional info please? Pen x **UPDATE possible on the 1891 census - will doublecheck and view the image .... Name: Edwin Davey Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Westminster, London, England Civil parish: Chelsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Chelsea, Kensal Town ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Nellie Blake 8 abt 1883 Paddington, London, England niece Charlotte Davey 29 abt 1862 Birmingham wife Clara Davey 16 abt 1865 Aldershot, Hampshire, England niece Edwin Davey 37 Address - 283 Kensal Road Occupation of Edwin - laundryman ********

Hi Pen Please can you find on 1891 and 1901 Census EDWIN DAVIS maybe DAVIES born 1852 in Westminster. 1881 with the E and previously without Many Thanks Pamela

Well it looks mighty good to me. It's quite usual for my ones wives to be at home and the husband is probably enumerated at the farm where he works. Thanks again Pen for your help and such a super speedy repsonse. Until next time, take care & have fun! Donna x

Donna ******** What about this one from the 1861, following on from the info about daughter Jane Milne - Name: Jane Milne Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Turriff, Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 247 Registration district: Turriff Civil parish: Turriff County: Aberdeenshire Address: Balmellie Occupation: Ploughman Wife ED: 6 Page: 6 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 31 Line: 15 Roll: CSSCT1861_33 Household Members: Name Age Mary Anderson 17 abt 1844 servant Where born: Marnoch, Banffshire Maria MacKay 19 abt 1842 servant Where born: Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire Jane Milne 33 Jane Milne 1 abt 1860 daughter Where born: Turriff, Aberdeenshire William A Sutherland 20 abt 1841 son Where born: Old Machar, Aberdeenshire Occupation: Scholar

Hi Pen, Just been having a wee forage through the notes I've got. Jean Milne, MS Wilson was born 2/1/1828 From the info I've been given James Milne was born 5/4/1839 in Gamrie, Banffshire, 'fraid I don't know the census dates for 1861 to know if he'd be classed as 21 or 22, then again, as we know from these census, he could be classed as any age. There was a daughter Jane Milne born on 15/8/1859 (as per IGI I seem to recall) in Turriff, however, Jean and James married in Gamrie, Banffshire, so they may be in that neck of the woods. Wee Izzy wasn't born until the October that year. Jean sometimes shows up as Jane but not often. If they are in Banffshire they could be enumerated as anything....I've a Peter McRae missing in action in Banffshire in 1861, when the freebie Ancestry was on I couldn't find him for love nor money, yet he didn't die for umpteen years after. Thanks everso Donna x

Donna ******** If I could find it hun, I would gladly post it, lol. The only Jean Milne I can find is married to an Alexander and born 1824. Do you have any other info for me? When was Izzy born? How old was James Milne? etc, etc.... Pen x ****Did James already have children when he married Jean (2nd marriage ?) because by typing in just the name Jean born c 1828 spouse James ....I have come up with this one .... Name: Jean Milne Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : James Gender: Female Where born: Lady, Orkney Registration Number: 26 Registration district: Sanday Civil parish: Sanday County: Orkney Address: Sillerha ED: 4 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 16 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1861_3 Household Members: Name Age James Milne 34 James Milne 12 Jean Milne 34 John Milne 6 Robert Milne 9 Thomas Milne 4 William L Milne 1 But not in the location you thought she would be in Pen x

Thank you for looking Pen, how very bizarre. If he is Jean's then perhaps he wasn't to form part of the new family set up. Could I have Jean & James Milne's 1861 census please? Many thanks Donna

Donna ******** 1861 census - look's like his with his grandparents Name: Martha Wilson Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1807 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : John Gender: Female Where born: Cumineston, Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 247 Registration district: Turriff Civil parish: Turriff County: Aberdeenshire Address: Market Hill ED: 4 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 48 Line: 10 Roll: CSSCT1861_33 Household Members: Name Age John Buy 12 John Wilson 65 abt 1796 Turriff, Aberdeenshire head Occupation: Laboure At Martha Wilson 54 abt 1807 Cumineston, Aberdeenshire wife Martha Wilson 17 abt 1844 Turriff, Aberdeenshire daughter Occupation: Domestic Serv But down as nephew though ???? Name: John Buy Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relationship: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Turriff, Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 247 Registration district: Turriff Civil parish: Turriff County: Aberdeenshire Address: Market Hill ED: 4 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 48 Line: 12 Roll: CSSCT1861_33 ***NO images available to check though.

You're a star - thanks Pen

Joanna Hyde *************** Hi, just going to take a look at the images for myself first - 1851 Name: Joseph Warner Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relation: Son Father's name: James Gender: Male Where born: Bozeat, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Bozeat County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Wellingborough Sub-registration district: Earls Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 7b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 34 Household Members: Name Age James Warner 36 Joseph Warner 9 Mary Ann Warner 11 Living at Brook Street and sharing the property with - William Warner and his wife Frances and their daughter Ann William Warner Frances abt 1792 Bozeat, Northamptonshire, England Head Bozeat Northamptonshire Frances Warner William abt 1793 Grimscote, Northamptonshire, England Wife Ann Warner abt 1835 Bozeat, Northamptonshire, England Daughter James Warner is a widow and lives with his daughter Mary Ann and son Joseph. So looks like James is the son of William and Frances Warner. Mary Ann and Joseph are the children of James ************************************************** Pen x ****UPDATE found them on the 1841 mistranscribed - Name: Frances Walner Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1796 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Bozeat Hundred: Higham Ferrers County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Source information: HO107/802/1 Registration district: Wellingborough Sub-registration district: Earls Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 5 Folio: 15 Page: 22 (click to see others on page) Line number: 2 GSU Number: 438876 Estimated birth year Birthplace Civil parish County/Island View Image Ann Walner abt 1835 Northamptonshire, England Bozeat Northamptonshire Frances Walner abt 1796 Northamptonshire, England Bozeat Northamptonshire John Walner abt 1827 Northamptonshire, England Bozeat Northamptonshire Willaim Walner abt 1791 Northamptonshire, England Bozeat Northamptonshire Have you checked out the IGI on the familysearch.org site yet ? Maybe Jospeh and Mary Ann's mother is listed on there. Pen x